Another 3 kidnapped

**sargentlard** · 06-26-04, 03:11 PM

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Militants loyal to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said Saturday they have kidnapped three Turkish workers and threatened to behead them in 72 hours, heightening tensions just ahead of a visit by President Bush (news - web sites) to Turkey.

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Safe to and sadly say they are gone.

**orestes** · 06-26-04, 03:32 PM

I wonder how long this kind of thing will continue. I think the militants know their demands won't be met, but do it anyway to make their sick point. Ever notice how unrealistic the demands they make are?

**~~otheadp~~** · 06-26-04, 03:40 PM

they are the soldiers of Allah (mujahideen)
to speak against them is blasphemous
infidels!

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 03:41 PM

you tards need to focus

The abductions are likely to stoke anti-war sentiment in Turkey, where Bush is already extremely unpopular. Hours ahead of Bush's arrival in Ankara, police battled scores of protesters Saturday, eventually firing tear gas to disperse them

that is the point behind these murders. to dispel and dissuade the affected populace from supporting this illegal american war.

the tactics will work. you tards are simply too shortsighted to see it.
hmm, perhaps a future american beheadings will translate to a 2-3% drop in ratings for prez. that is.... per head.

c'mon y'all! stab 'n saw! kerry for prez

**orestes** · 06-26-04, 03:49 PM

c'mon y'all! stab 'n saw! kerry for prez

You're sick, man. I'm sure you'd love more heads roll, if only for approval ratings. These tactics might work for some, but you know how governments are. They won't back down.

And enough with the insults already.

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 04:05 PM

hey now! at least they would not have died in vain
i see medals, a 21 gun salute, weeping widows and a state funeral
heroes! all of em!

but you know how governments are. They won't back down.

it is attitudes like this that enable govts to do as they please.
stand the fuck up, boy! get yer ass out on to the street and stop the murders
take a bullet for the 10's of 1000's of iraqis you have killed and will keep on killing.

**~~otheadp~~** · 06-26-04, 04:46 PM

these rebelling militant insurgents aren't scared of death, right?
how about decapitation... of their family members?

this would take care of the "more terorrists are born than we're killing"

right?
this is the thing to do, according to emotions.

but you see other terrorist groups actually being against beheading
so it sort of, from a surprising positive point of view, gets terrorists like Hizballah to publicly be against beheading

maybe this is the birth of the Mecca Accords? (something a-la-Geneva Accords, generally accepted terrorism rules that all allah akbars have to follow)

Hathor, you seem to be happy about the beheadings, and actually holding your fingers crossed.
whose side are you on?
have Paul Johnson, Kim Sun-Il, Nick Berg or all those other guys ever do anything to you?
if you are an American you should be tried for treason

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 05:41 PM

if you are an American you should be tried for treason

well, get on it. the clock is ticking and your man is going down!
then it will be you warpigs swinging at the end of a rope

have Paul Johnson, Kim Sun-Il, Nick Berg or all those other guys ever do anything to you?

this is not personal. it just that they are not innocent. they are frikkin parasites that sought to profit of an illegal war and the blood of thousands of dead iraqis

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 06:04 PM

no
i prefer the trip you planned. when do i get the ticket?

ps: you gonna come visit? i could arrange a welcome party

**~~otheadp~~** · 06-26-04, 07:10 PM

Hathor, i wonder, if 'right' and 'wrong' do not apply to this kind of situations, and even though noncombatants are being taken hostage (against the Geneva Conventions) and beheaded (even worse) it's nothing to complain about and is basically understandable, should the other side, then, (actually there are many other sides against al-Qaeda) use similar tactics?

if al-Qaeda is doing this for the sake of Islam, how about CIA takes prisoners of random 200 Muslim villagers and puts on the web videos of the throat slitting of every single one of them?

a century ago if an American was kidnapped in any country, the president would send a huge military force (no secret CIA bullshit) and bomb it (or threaten with bombing)

all is fair in love and war?

are you a moral relativist? "its ok for them to do it but not us"?

talking to people like you often makes me wish for Stalin to be in power and you being a Soviet citizen

welcome to the Gulag, tovarish

**orestes** · 06-26-04, 07:19 PM

take a bullet for the 10's of 1000's of iraqis you have killed and will keep on killing.

I would be willing to, unlike you, to help clean up the mess the US has made in Iraq. I bet a good percentage of those dead are from militants killing fellow Iraqis, and dead militants.

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 07:24 PM

let me explain shit real simple

iraq
i sits here in the sand minding my bizness and you bomb, invade and refuse to leave. i will fight all. the invading white pigs and their associates of any color.

saudi
i sits here plotting terrorism. you do not blink an eye. ok, i will plot some more.

CIA takes prisoners of random 200 Muslim villagers

the war is underway. fight it as you see fit. the object is to win.

do you have what it takes? well do you, punk?

* hey goofball! thats a quote from dirty harry. i claim... artistic licence!

**orestes** · 06-26-04, 07:41 PM

We're not justifying the war here, Hathor, at least I'm not. I disagreed even going to war, if you must know. All I say is just don't complain until the US really won't leave and has been there for an extended time. This war was not benificial to the US. Cost us billions, many lives, and PR.

Back to the point. As otheadp said, would it be fair if we started beheading our prisoners? Hell, the whole world went nuts when we ruffed them up.

White pigs? Then what divine race are you from then?

**Asguard** · 06-26-04, 07:43 PM

How can you say an american who surports the iraq fighters is guilty of treason but not that the iraq fighters might think that the ïntrem goverment" officals are guilty of the same thing?

**~~Hathor~~** · 06-26-04, 07:59 PM

orestes
pardon, you seem a nice enough guy with good intentions
unfortunately it is no longer enough. if you wanna keep dying, stay. just dont expect sympathy from me when death strikes. if you wanna live, leave. immediately.

allow the iraqis the dignity of sorting out the mess you created themselves. there is no role for us to play anymore. credibility has been lost and it is best to leave. we can reengage thru the un and fix things from there.

"I sometimes get emails asking me to propose solutions or make suggestions. Fine. Today's lesson: don't rape, don't torture, don't kill, and get out while you can - while it still looks like you have a choice. . . . Chaos? Civil war? We'll take our chances - just take your puppets, your tanks, your smart weapons, your dumb politicians, your lies, your empty promises, your rapists, your sadistic torturers and go."

baghdad burning - girl blog from iraq

she is cute and sexy, stop treating her like shit

let us withdraw now! damn this alleged loss of credibility. we will recover. how can we not? aint we still the strongest? the smartest?

**orestes** · 06-26-04, 08:17 PM

No problem Hathor, and I understand where you are coming from. But pulling out now might make us lose even more credibility. Hopefully when the UN gets more involved things might settle down some.

**~~Undecided~~** · 06-26-04, 08:19 PM

Ok well I want to avoid the previous argument because they lack any real substance. These three new men seem to be as dead as a Londoner during the Black Plague. The reality of the situation is that the tactics may backfire for the insurgents because it is not Islamic, this type of beheading is something that has to go through a process in the Islamic world, and you merely don’t cut heads off willy nilly. But I personally don’t see these men fighting for a popularity contest here; they want to send a warning to the westerners, you come at your own risk. Not to the US military, but rather to civilians. They aren’t stupid, they know that civilians have no reason for being in Iraq other then the $$$. Is getting “chop-chop” worth it? Not really, so it is feasible that these tactics might just work in the short term, and it’s the short term that really matters. These men want chaos, and they want the US to fail at any cost. Again we should have our best intentions for those three Turks, they don’t deserve to die, but we mustn’t expect this tactic to stop soon.