The Uncivil War Against Islam

The Uncivil War Against Islam

By M. Cherif Bassiouni. M. Cherif Bassiouni is a law professor at DePaul University

The slightest bit of anti-Semitism will be met with strong condemnation by the media and the rest of civil society--as it should. But not so for egregious vilification of Islam. Imagine if high visibility Muslim or Christian religious leaders would publicly state to the viewing and hearing of millions of Americans that: "Moses was a terrorist" and "Moses was a brigand and a robber," "Judaism is a monumental scam" and "Judaism is a very evil and wicked religion." The reaction would be overwhelming. President Bush would probably address the nation from the Oval Office to denounce such an outrage, every major newspaper would run denunciatory editorials and TV and radio talk shows would continuously discuss the reasons and the remedies needed. In short, the nation would be swept by a tidal wave of social opprobrium--and rightly so.

But these outrageous and insulting statements were not made about Moses and Judaism, but about the Prophet Muhammad and about Islam. Substitute the first two quotes with "Muhammad" instead of "Moses" and "Islam" for "Judaism" and you would have what was actually said, in that order, by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham--all respected leaders of the "Christian right." Falwell made his statement on CBS' "60 Minutes" and Graham was the minister who delivered President Bush's inaugural prayer last year.

Reactions against these slanderous statements from the media and civil society were few, no massive outrage, no presidential denunciation, even though the president went to great lengths after Sept. 11 to assert that America's war on terrorism was not a war against Islam. The measured tones of negative media and public reactions to these hateful attacks attest to the degree of social acceptability of these statements, even though some of the utterers proffered tactical retractions. U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft, an adherent of the "Christian right" whose principal ministers made these slanderous statements, did not investigate, let alone indict, these preachers for hate crimes. He did not even publicly denounce their statements.

This in part explains why Muslims are notoriously targeted by the FBI and the Immigration and Naturalization Service and are frequently treated in the course of their interrogation and detention in a degrading and harsh manner, and nothing is done about it.

Power and influence are the currency of American society, those who have it and know how to use it succeed in advancing their causes, and those who don't remain disenfranchised. Native Americans and African-Americans have had a long time to learn that lesson. Now it is the turn of Muslims and Arab-Americans to learn it--the hard way.

The Muslim world does not fathom the peculiarities of American society. They think that if something is wrong, it should apply across-the-board. They see double standards in America's foreign policy and now domestically as well. They do not understand that if anti-Semitism is met with such opposition, it is substantially because American Jews, to their credit, make it their business to fight against it. And they do not understand that since American Muslims are complacent about anti-Islamism, they will not be heard and that practice will go on. Above all, they do not understand why the Bush administration is silent against Islam-haters when it is trying so hard in its hopeless propaganda effort to win over the hearts and minds of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims.

Who needs Osama bin Laden to recruit terrorists when we have such eloquent spokespeople for America's hate war against Islam? To stop this hateful prejudice is a question of principle. It is also a matter of our national security.

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PM...man....where do you find this stuff? And do you honestly believe these things you post?

 

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I think it's quite apt regarding mainstream America's view towards Muslims. And Amercian Muslims should get stuck into the politicians for being so blasé about all of the anti-Islam comments made by these psyco right wing Xian nutters.

This statement is telling:

All good reasons why Thomas Jefferson separated these creeps from government – we need to double the efforts to keep it that way. I mean Falwel, Jesus he’s oily and Graham what a snake.

 

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I provided the link for the article from Chicago tribune, and oh yes, I strongly believe every single word in the article.

 

a friend sent me the following, and I wanted to get your opinion, PM. This is not the view that I have of the muslim religion, however, I know very little about it.

I'd like to get the opinions on this from every Muslin here, but I really wanted to see how you would react to it:

"THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

by Professor Moshe Sharon
The Hebrew University


There is no Fundamental Islam.

"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian
religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental
Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and
killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam, full
stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.

All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are
politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in
the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that
is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is
good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the
two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.

The Language of Islam

You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact,
the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the
west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam
in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and
all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my
professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that
doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball
terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of
another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.

Driving Principles of Islam

Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of
course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one
God.

But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to
acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet.
These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be
a Moslem.

But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first
and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual,
society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to
behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and
which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.

The Bible

Let me explain the difference.

The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long
period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain
scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads
to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.

In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants
to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea
behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.

The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal
salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to
time, meet each other.

But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each
individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His
word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking
about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to
the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.

Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important.
This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you
don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of
course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a
lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as
religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about
honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two
basic fundamentals.

The Essence of Islam

Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that
it should rule the world.

Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism
speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when
the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by
its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every
single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks
about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point
in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English: "Allah sent Mohammed
with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."

The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at
this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of
Islam.

When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640
- the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the
Koran and from the tradition that were ascribed to the prophet Mohammed,
were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live
under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority.
Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under
Islam are humiliated to this very day.

Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems

Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him.
However, he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a
Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and
David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had
writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history
because all the heroes of history were Moslems.

Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought
with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the
Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel -
namely the New Testament.

The Bible versus the Koran

Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?

Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they
not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran.
But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that
they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now].

Nevertheless, the law is very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights
whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule
provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.

Islamic Rule and Jihad

What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of
Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad.
Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic
superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they
may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at
least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and
Christians.

A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by
bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the
Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but
because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are
Americans in Arabia where no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there
is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the
home of the Prophet.

Two Houses

The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come
under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic
rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear.
Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is
described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where
Islam rules - and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of
war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this
house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will
continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule. This
is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent
Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all
other religions.

Islamic Law

Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the
lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In
fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law.

However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences
between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic
world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The
strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi
Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of
words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.

There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over
the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam
that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions
from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed
in war.

These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very
important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely
strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist
powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic
law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting
against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law
that is being followed.

Islam and Territory

This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about
territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be
de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes
over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be
perpetually Islamic.

This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear -
territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict,
but territory is highly important.

The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent,
but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was
created.

Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single
Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting
for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies,
because - and this is very important - this is an eternal war between the
two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it
was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not
end.

Islam and Peace

Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can
only be between Moslem and Moslem.

With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only
one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is
an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the
Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of
cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important
historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to
when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with
Israel.

Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't
believe what you are reading! You would think that you were reading
some science fiction piece. I mean, when you read it, you can't
believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted
with Islamic policies and civilization.

A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to
Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he
apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews
which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of
Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat
continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the Prophet
Mohammed did."

Whatever the Prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What
Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet
made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But
then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their
city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.

Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which
states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10
years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must
renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].

In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people
to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with
Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to
understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic
civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood:
When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium,
French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace
in Islamic terms.

Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice

What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy
is too strong. It is a tactical choice.

Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most
humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a
cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to
them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers hear these things,
they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages.
You don't understand the mechanisms of politics."

Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics
where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen
the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic,
chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt
about that.

Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an
impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major
component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side
is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the
Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State
has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.

Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War

The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places
is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever
you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of
Islamic civilization.

What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's
happening between Pakistan and India?

Islamic Infiltration

Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The
Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also
war by infiltration.

One of the things which the western world is not paying enough
attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western
world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something
that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day
the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely
in an atomic war - inside the U.S.

End of Days

It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end
of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the
vision of the end of days.

In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations,
not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have
any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful
end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.

Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan
himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the
vision.

I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees
the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is
totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete

and final victory.

Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic
traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by
somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.

The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end
of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews
should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic
tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. The
Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be
hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths
to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there
is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot
come. This is a fundamental of Islam.

Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?

The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will
happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of
war?

The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is
reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.

But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse
of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from
Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not
even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a
grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic
rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of
Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is
anathema.

And (this is the worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over
Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.


I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support
each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel
finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its
sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It
needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about,
this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the
road to salvation.

Professor Moshe Sharon teaches Islamic History at the Hebrew
University, Jerusalem. This article appeared on the Betar UK website
(http://www.betar.co.il) December 24, 2003. "

thoughts?

 

*Thinks*

Too long - It Becomes boring

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River Wind,

Post a link instead of cut and paste, or much better still just give us a summary.

Kat

 

Likewise, I have strong, unshakable beliefs in miscellaneous articles, beliefs which I feel compelled... no... inspired to share with you.

Here are a few of my own belief-conveying articles.

 

sorry, can't give a link. a friend emailed me the article, the link at the bottom doesn't even work. Ot was cut and paste or nothing.

Summary is that peace and the muslim religion can't co-exist because the ultimate goal of Islam is the destruction of all other religions. The house of War must be destroyed, and that can only happen when all non-muslims are dead. That at the end times, non-muslims will run in fear, and the trees will come alive and say "you muslim, there is a jew hiding behind me, kill him."

It basically is suggesting that as long as the muslim religion exists, ME peace cannot occur - the war is an eternal one, based on the Koran.

 

I read the whole thing.
Excellent article. This was my basic understanding anyway and I'm not even particularly interested in the whole israeli/palestinian conflict issue. It was good to get a competent validation.
I'd love to hear what people like Tiassa and Hypewaders have to say about that article. More so than PM, because he's not a real human being, he's a zombie. Who cares what zombies have to say?

Its the point I've been trying to make when I say even friendly rational seeming muslims secretly want you dead and western civilisation destroyed. That inherently goes with being a muslim. A muslim that doesn't feel that way isn't a very good muslim, like a christian murderer.
There simply has to be a serious war, its that or be defeated by islam.
The west can't be friendly about it, its suicide to allow muslims to continue to exist while you have the power to destroy them. Sad but true.

"the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic,
chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt
about that"
Thats so true, so obvious.
I don't think anyone, even the crazily liberal people on this forum, could deny that.

"What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy
is too strong. It is a tactical choice."
Again so true.
The only reason islamic forces aren't violently and ruthlessly taking over the world is because they don't have the power. They're biding their time. And the west is sitting their watching them, doing nothing.

"And if America doesn't wake up, one day
the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely
in an atomic war - inside the U.S"
Thats a good prediction for the future.
I can't see it going any other way really because will america ever change? Will america ever 'get tough' on islam? It's recieving mountains of pressure to become less tough than it is, which is no where near tough enough. And it probably will ease off, I definately can't see the western world ever doing something as 'crazy' as starting a war on islam (I mean REALLY starting a war on islam), so its only a matter of time before islam wins.
The west has forfeited, now they're just waiting for islam to build up the strength to knock them out.

 

Do you think it is healthy to judge the fastest growing religion in the world based on the views of its enemies ??

The jews are the archenemies of Islam and Muslims, the writer is jew, the site you quoted is from IL ( Israel ), do you really think the article hold any credible facts ???

I advice you to read KAREN ARMESTRONG( She is not Muslim )

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3067495/

ARMSTRONG IS CURRENTLY a visiting scholar at Harvard and the author of nine books on religion. “Islam: A Short History” was originally released in 2000 but became a best seller in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

 

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who knew he'd go the 'he's a jew' angle? Inspirational.
Always a rational voice on any topic. Able to adapt to any discussion with valid points and counterpoints. And he listens, you know, he's just fantastic.
A real worthwhile member this brickwall, I mean PM.

 

Why you dont comment on KAREN ARMSTRONG article my friend ? is it too embarrassing ? it is too strong to handle ? or does it simply expose your lies and hate against Islam and Muslims ????? or you only discuss anti muslim hate jewish articles ??????? HYPOCRITE !

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NOTE:

The Bigots and the Islamophobes here in this thread did not comment on the original article which clearly exposes deep rotted hypocrisy within the American society and indeed within the west in general when it comes to dealing with anti Muslim rants and hate !!!

Dare and insult Moses or describe Judaism as terrorist religion and the hell will break lose, on the other hand insulting Islam and its prophet is ok and in some cases encouraged !!!!

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I find this bit very interesting in light of the many tedious threads about the coming of the end of days posted by muslim forumers.

In conjunction with the countless "islam is the fastest growing religion in the world" threads you can actually witness this particular islamic belief right here in our own little microcosm of sciforums, which lends some credence to the author.

 

I've heard it all before and its an unrealistic view of what western liberals wish islam was, not what islam is.
Its flagrantly obvious in your posts that YOU are not even one of these elusive fantasy muslims she is talking about. You don't agree with the muslims she is talking about. You only do when trying to paint an image of islam. But you slip up with every fanatical violent post you make. Which is where you are an honest muslim. These liberal muslims are not the majority by any means, they are a tiny minority that don't understand their own religion. There are many that claim to be liberal, but only while it suits them, if they didn't feel dominated by the west they would quickly scrap the idea of peace and harmony. The so called extremists are the ones who dont care how badly the odds are stacked against them. But the vast majority of muslims would be 'extremists' if the odds were in their favour and they are just waiting untill they are. Some realise there is no point in making your hostility and plans of world domination apparent while you are grossly inferior in power.
This doesn't mean they are a peace loving admirable people, it means they are a ticking time bomb, loving peace while war would mean their demise is just common sense. They are patiently waiting for war to mean islam taking over the world.

Israelis hate muslims because they know them better than anyone else. They know how crazy and dangerous islam inherently is.
Muslims hate jews christians hindus and athiests and whatever else because they are not muslims.
See the difference?
Jews are people with a religion that is pretty harmless and that they don't take very seriously anyway. Same with christians. Muslims take their religion very seriously, they are(including you, pm) brainwashed zombie cult members hell bent on converting the world to their 'one true religion'. Not by doorknocking but by violently removing non-muslims from the globe.
The 'peacefullness' some people try to find is merely patience.
And people belonging to non-muslim cultures should be very concerned about the future.

 

It seems the words White Wash kept coming up when I was readcing the reviews. Anyway, here's what the top ranked reviewer from Amazon.com had to say:

"Karen Armstong, the former nun and popular writer of liberal theology-lite, here offers a short review of one of the worlds great religions. Hardly an expert in the subject, Armstrong's work offers what might best are considered an idealists view of Islam, often bending over to avoid critical analysis and paint the faith in the best light. In some cases, this is quite refreshing, like pointing out Islam's extraordinary history as one of the worlds most enlightened and intellectual empires in the middle Ages. The flowering of scholarship, art, and science, as well as Islam's role in preserving the works of the ancient Greeks that were often being burned in the west, deserves attention. The weakness of her work is that, while she puts the distant past in context, she stubbornly refuses to do likewise in her analysis of recent history.

Looking at ancient Islam, Armstrong is surely correct that Mohammed must be looked at in his context, the product of an extremely violent, patriarchic, clan based society with a thoroughly different concept of rights and justice then we have today. However, her examination of the last 2-300 years of Islam fails to analyze the factors that brought one of the world's most enlightened and advanced societies to its current state. Some obviously will complain that this conflates Islam and Arabic society, but as many scholars already point out the latter sprung from the former and is indelibly marked by that lineage. In any case, the fact that the area of the world from Morocco to Pakistan boasts not a single democratically elected government or society allowing freedom of expression (excepting, of course, Israel) speaks volumes about Islam's current position.

Armstrong, however, does not wish to see the state of the people living in this region as having anything to do with Islam. Nor does she offer sufficient analysis of the increasing spread of the most intolerant and peculiarist forms of Islam through schools funded by Persian Gulf petrol dollars. Madrasha springing up from Chicago to Pakistan endowed by the Saudi are making Islam less tolerant and more retrograde. Armstrong also has a problem with fact checking, such as her assertion that the west "stole" the Suez Canal. Readers looking for a more scholarly and thoughtful view of Islam should examine the works of Professor Bernard Lewis, one of the leading scholars of Islam and the Arab world.

Islam as a faith offers much to admire and find beautiful. However, Islam is currently a faith at a crossroads that must either descend into its past or find a way to integrate itself into the modern milieu. Will Islam find a way to coexist with modern notions of equality, democracy, and human dignity? The question remains open. This Herculean task will only be accomplishable with careful open eyed analysis. White washes do a grave disservice to this critical question."

 

What muslims don't understand is that most westerners and christians aren't as paranoid as they are with regards to belief religious or non. Most would view derogatory comments about moses or christianity or judaism as nothing more than that(similar to the way PM dismisses israeli news sources as biased or just flat out wrong). Muslims response to criticism or name calling of islam and its prophets seems illogical or extremist to many. A fatwa against Rushdie for example lends credence to Rushdies writing and makes people think islam is insecure in itself. The scenario listed here of Newspapers, television and radio enmass or GW Bush (moron though he may be) rushing to defend the faith is just ridiculous and shows a lack of understanding of the west and christians(not all christians mind you). There would certainly be replies from religious centric media (ala pat robertson etc) But most respectable media outlets wouldn't even give it the time of day.

 

You do this daily and I hardly call replies to your posts on a forum "all hell breaking loose". Show me an example of "all hell breaking loose because of anyone defaming christianity judaism or atheism.

Here I will help

Christianity is BULLSHIT
Judaism is a LIE
Atheism is FALSE

How long before I am dead again??

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So now western liberals are traitors because they expose your right wing neo nazism(conservatism ) hate, right ???