Schindler's List.

**Ozymandias** · 04-12-04, 12:56 AM

I just rented and watched both volumes of this movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I want to hear the opinions of my other SciForumers.

Who else has seen this movie?

**certified psycho** · 04-12-04, 12:16 PM

I have seen it a while back and my god that movie is awsome and very powerful. Truely a must watch.

**storni** · 04-12-04, 05:07 PM

Did you notice the small girl in the red dress throughout the movie?

**chunkylover58** · 04-12-04, 05:26 PM

Should be required viewing by all. A truly powerful and beautiful film.
Every single frame of that film could be enlarged and framed and hung on your wall as a true piece of cinematographic/photographic art.

It was amazing to me, a few years back, when NBC chose to air this film commercial free and unedited. They actually got complaints because of the language, violence and nudity. If you're watching this film and and all you get out of it is "This guy said, 'shit' and there was a naked woman and a sex scene and there was lots of violence," you should have your license to be a human revoked.

**Datura** · 04-12-04, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by storni

Did you notice the small girl in the red dress throughout the movie?

How could anyone not notice that? I thought it was a really good movie.

**Ozymandias** · 04-12-04, 07:16 PM

I'm glad people here feel the same why I do about it.

I'd like to hear some theories about the girl in the red dress.

My opinion is that it's significant because it reminds us that these people were individuals, not just numbers and statistics. Many people have been numbed to the horrors of the holocaust because they're just spoon-fed grossly huge numbers. By singling out that one innocent girl, we're reminded just how terrible this time period really was...

**Hitman47** · 04-13-04, 03:30 AM

I saw this movie in high school in history class. Its a powerful film, it made me cry.

**crazymikey** · 04-13-04, 05:09 AM

I personally did not like it, nor did the rest of my friends I watched it with. Although I greatly admire Steven Spielberg's works, this is just one of those rare ones, that did nothing for me. I simply think it is too overdrawn, devoid of emotional value, and glosses over the human drama and glorifies the negative elements, which of course is unavoidable, as the protagonist is negative. I would have appreciated, if Spielberg instead focussed on the plight of the real victims; the jews; which the Pianist did, and hence was a much more powerful film.

**James R** · 04-13-04, 09:56 AM

You must have watched a different version of the movie to the one I saw, crazymikey.

**Violator** · 04-13-04, 10:56 AM

I liked the bit where he shoots the one armed guy in the street and the snow melts.

**Ozymandias** · 04-13-04, 11:57 AM

crazymikey;

There are just too many aspects of the holocaust for you to think worse of one because it didn't cover them all. There are other aspects, too, like the life of this one German, Oskar Schindler. Just because it didn't re-hash a Jew's story of his/her life through the holocaust doesn't mean it wasn't a great film.

Devoid of emotional value? If this movie wasn't emotional, can you tell me which one was? I found this movie to be emotionally rich...

**crazymikey** · 04-13-04, 03:56 PM

Well Ozymandias, I think some stories are just not suitable for the screen. Schinder's story is one of those. It's cold blooded and when a jew is wronged or shot dead,there is no emotional value elicited, at least not from me, and the others I watched it with. That makes sense within the framework of the movie, but it doesn't make ethical sense to me.

In addition to that it did not succeed in captivating me, with the pace slackening many times and the distasteful and gratuitous sex and violence intruding occasionally. I just could not connect with this movie.

**Ozymandias** · 04-13-04, 06:53 PM

What movies could you connect with then, pray tell?

**Xerxes** · 04-13-04, 07:06 PM

Schindlers list. One of those movies which I seriously want to see, but haven't had a chance to. Its up on my list of things to do.

I haven't seen a single star wars film, either. But I'm proud of it

**crazymikey** · 04-14-04, 01:07 AM

Ozymandias, I connect with many movies. When we discuss those, I'll share my thoughts. While on this topic: I thoroughly relished the Pianist, not only does it have emotional value, it's sensitively directed and aptly captured on celluloid.

**Ozymandias** · 04-14-04, 01:36 AM

I can't argue much more without getting into just a bunch of opinions, but I won't deny that the Pianist wasn't a good movie, but I found Schindler's List more moving.

Then again, only my opinion...

**Datura** · 04-14-04, 11:34 PM

Oh my god. The Pianist? The movie was so boring and incredibly awful.

**chunkylover58** · 04-15-04, 08:20 AM

Crazy M, I think the lack of emotional response you're sensing in Schindler's List was intentional. Spielberg was showing just how heartless these people were. The Nazi soldiers were basically brainwashed automotons doing their jobs. Think of the scene when Ralph Fiennes has just had sex his Jewish "girlfriend" and stands there at the window, post coitus, with a rifle picking off Jewish prisoners in the compund below with no more remorse than one would have swatting a fly. No judgment is made, no horrified looks from anyone, no intensely emotional music, no apologetic remorse from him ... The emotional response is left up to the viewer.

Ostensibly, there were many scenes in that film regarding Nazi atrocities that were intended to be seen as raw and real, without any sad, emotional music playing and tears in eyes and POV from the sympathetic. It was left up to you, the viewer, to look inside yourself to determine how horrified you would be to witness these events, or to at least know that they occurred. Just thinking about that film and certain scenes in it often make me tear up.

**crazymikey** · 04-15-04, 12:50 PM

Yes Chunky, as I said, it made sense within the framework of the movie. It just does not make ethical sense to me. There is no need for music playing etc, we should at least see the human drama of the real victims. I think that is glossed over.