Was satan really evil or is it just exaggerated propoganda?

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  1. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    As members of this generation, we've seen it all, we can smell bullshit a mile away. And with that in mind, assuming the bible was (very)loosely based on real events, doesn't it seem as though satan could have just been fairly bright dude that pulled jesus up on his crap?
    The way they portray him in the bible looks just like the propaganda we see all the time, only more amateurish and less convincing.
    I sometimes wonder how much of the bible really is fake, it seems more like a conspiracy than flat out fiction, and being someone completely used to government lies and propoganda it seems as though the good guys in the bible are the bad guys in reality, and vice versa.
     
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  3. everneo Re-searcher Registered Senior Member

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    satan.. oh yeah, he is a fairly bright dude but a racist hating human race. you better be an atheist rather than satanist.

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  5. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Satanology takes different forms. Depending on the position and experience of the observer - whether he describes events, actions, thoughts, motives, or a person self - we get differents ideas. The broad definition is to attribute anything that goes against God's will to the "devil" - in which case he becomes "the adversary". In whatever form, he describes the source of rebellion against God. Etymologically, "Satan" means "accuser".

    When Peter denied that Jesus would be crucified and resurrected,
    'Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men." ' (Matt. 16:22).
    Keep in mind that this is the same Peter upon whom Jesus said he would build his church.
     
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  7. Zero Banned Banned

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    Meh, he's a mythical character who is often mentioned with a mythical god named Jehovah.
     
  8. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Satan is widely used by religous types to explain bad stuff; events, people, thoughts etc.
    I'm speculating the biblical satan was based on people throughout history who had damn good arguments against the existence of god or the righteousness of which he operates.
    Like a guy maybe verbally attacked jesus in a way he wasn't ready for that really stumped him, so he was labelled as satan and the story was changed to make jesus seem like the better guy.
    Say I had a time machine and I went back and met jesus, played cards with him and used todays knowledge to totally tear him a new 'a' in a debate, I think the event would pop-up in the bible as the day satan played cards with jesus and tried to trick him but jesus was too good blah blah blah.
    Get what I'm saying?
     
  9. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like that song by Paul Simon. The Night Train or something?
     
  10. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    Or you know parents, from the beginning of time, have made up mythical creatures to discipline childern through the fear of the unknown and plain creepy well Satan could have been made to discipline followers of that religion through fear of the unknown and creepy on a grand scale. Just a way to make people weary of social and moral outlawed acticites.
     
  11. doom Registered Senior Member

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    I think satan is merely a representation of man,our true nature,there is no good or evil exactly.

    We are satan,underneath that facade of religions and law we are satan.

    Imagine for a moment you believed/knew 100% theres no afterlife,imagine you knew there is no god,now imagine there was no law.

    What would man be like in this situation?

    Well its not done me any harm,id still be the same without laws,perhaps our satanic nature is better off on its own,i personally think it is.
     
  12. Jenyar Solar flair Valued Senior Member

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    Only if you believe humans are at their most basic godless, immoral, and lawless.
    The opposite of eternal life, the opposite of God, the opposite of justice. Well said. Now imagine you acted on the belief that there was no ultimate value to life, no authority but yourself, no consequences, and nobody to enforce justice - that boundless freedom is the ultimate human right.
    There are a few case studies - you'll probably find them in state penitentiaries or mental institutions...
    No harm until your "freedom" happens to cross anybody else's boundaries. Whether limits are artificial or not - they do exist. And they are not only religious.
     
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  13. Voltaire Registered Senior Member

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    satan is like the boogy man. i don't believe he exists, it is just a way to justify the mistakes of some people and scare little children.
     
  14. Jesus Registered Member

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    Theirs a little Satan in all of us.
     
  15. Angelus Daughter Of House Ravenhearte Registered Senior Member

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    There's alot of Satan in me. He's my dad.

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  16. Zero Mass Registered Senior Member

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    I don't understand the story of Satan. And don't get me wrong, I understand that it is just a fairy tale, but in most fairy tales the evil character in the story is destroyed and good remains. In the bible god banishes Satan from heaven and he then has free roam to torture and destroy humanity for the rest of time from the reaches of his comfortable domain.
    Why? Why did God, a supposedly nice deity, leave a source of ultimate evil to plague humanity for eternity? Why didn't god just destroy Satan and all of evil along with him? This story doesn't work for me on that basis. If there had been maybe a Hercules figure in the bible (maybe a beefed up jesus christ, the starving son of god hippy look is a little weak in the first place) and that character beat up Satan and destroyed him and hell, then maybe the story would be interesting. As it stands now, the bible is depressing, confusing, and stupid, especially the OT.

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  17. daktaklakpak God is irrelevant! Registered Senior Member

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    That's the beauty of uncertainty. If no action is taken(until the judgement day), and the related stories(people had done bad deeds) seem true, you can't say the whole thing is false.

    If the bible is like any other normal good guy kills bad guy story, you will quickly find out it's not true because the bad deeds still exist.
     
  18. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    “To live for one’s self is to be against God. Our own “I” is synonymous with the “flesh.”
    G. Steinberger

    I would say the more individualistic we become, the harder it becomes to live for a deity. I'm still curious why God simply does not kill satan. Anyway, the catholic church especially has beefed up the image of hell and Satan over the years.
     
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  20. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    So then why is he/she/it/they going to punish those exercising their own free will by sending them to hell? Why did God kill the first-born of egyptian men, when they also exercised their own free will? Why does God kill men and not Satan?
     
  21. okinrus Registered Senior Member

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    Satan is a spiritual being. The only way to kill him would be to completely erase his soul. God killed all of the egyptian firstborn but that does not mean that they all went to hell. The significance is to show that the Jewish people were saved by the blood of the lamb on their door and were protected from harm.
     
  22. jcarl Starving...Why Wait? Registered Senior Member

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  23. Angelus Daughter Of House Ravenhearte Registered Senior Member

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    He wouldn't kill Satan because it would deny his free will but he'll bring a flood and kill countless people? He'll turn cities to ash and tople nations. But he won't take the one life that would rid the world of evil?
     

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