Thread: Supernova From Experimentation At Fermilab

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    perhaps is level of interaction is low enough that he won't post a new thread?

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    At least Paul is only spamming this thread so he's relatively harmless comparitively speaking. And as I said, we should look upon this thread as a monument to the lack of critical thinking and obtuseness Paul exhibits, especially from one who claims to have a PhD.

    Paul is a shining example that credentials can mean nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    At least Paul is only spamming this thread so he's relatively harmless comparitively speaking.
    I agree, he's not disrupting this forum, and he at least is generating interest in both the topic and his motivation.

    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    And as I said, we should look upon this thread as a monument to the lack of critical thinking and obtuseness Paul exhibits, especially from one who claims to have a PhD.

    Paul is a shining example that credentials can mean nothing.
    I don't agree here. I have not seen any scientific evidence that he's wrong. He's promoting a warning to the forces used at the Fermi Lab, that I'm not sure even he understands. Members here have generally attacked him and his unresponsiveness but have not provided evidence that he's wrong.

    Also, I believe he's falculty in the Psych department at UH Hilo, and is published, so his credentials are valid.

    I wonder if the supposition of one of our posters is correct when he/she wondered if the thread was a psych experiment and we were all test subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsamuel
    You know who I am since YOU CALLED ME AT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, for which you should be banned.

    Why don't you call Paul Dixon, loser, and see what he does?
    Paul Dixon, I strongly suggest you vote to ban WellCookedFetus at this thread;

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=38648

    else you may be getting calls at work also. It appears management at SciForums is leaving it up to members to punish this breach of privacy, so please vote.

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    he at least is generating interest in both the topic and his motivation.

    As I stated earlier, the only interest he generates has nothing to do with the topic. His claims were refuted on the first page of this thread and his lack of knowledge of the subject matter has also been exposed.

    I have not seen any scientific evidence that he's wrong

    You're kidding - what exactly do you think is right about his claims, and why?

    Members here have generally attacked him and his unresponsiveness but have not provided evidence that he's wrong.

    Yes, we have. Read the thread through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    I have not seen any scientific evidence that he's wrong
    paulsamuel,

    Actually plenty of scientific evidence has been raised against his claims, I prefer the evidence that cosmic rays of far higher energies then have been produced in any man made accelerators hit the earth regularly and the earth has not been wiped out in a Supernova from it yet.

    I think I posted this some pages ago, perhaps you should actually read the thread for counter evidence.

    As is cosmic rays of 10^11 GeV (10^8 TeV) have been detected, we have no accelerators that could even approach those energy levels.

    If you need reference:
    http://www.phys.ksu.edu/~evt/Quarkne..._ray_intro.pdf
    http://www.globaltechnoscan.com/31jan-6feb/particle.htm
    Last edited by WellCookedFetus; 07-24-04 at 08:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
    paulsamuel,

    Actually plenty of scientific evidence has been raised against his claims, I prefer the evidence that cosmic rays of far higher energies then have been produced in any man made accelerators hit the earth regularly and the earth has not been wiped out in a Supernova from it yet.
    actually your preferences have nothing to do with the case in point. one can't, with any validity, cherry pick evidence to provide in an argument.

    Also, he's talking about a concentrated burst of energy, not the diffuse energy enveloping the entire earth.

    that's analogous to saying tidal waves aren't dangerous because the amount of energy in a tidal wave hit the beaches of earth regularly every day, so tidal waves aren't dangerous.

    Quote Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
    As is cosmic rays of 10^11 GeV (10^8 TeV) have been detected, we have no accelerators that could even approach those energy levels.
    are you saying he's wrong about the energy levels needed? you could be talking about 2 different energies or concentrations of energy. please be more specific on how this contradicts him.

    these don't contradict him, they're not mutually exclusive as far as I can see. please address the Nature article he cited; Nature Vol 320, 1986, p.679.

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    PaulSamuel,

    You realize that if you are merely backing up Dixon because Fetus is going against him, eventually the real physicists might move in for the kill? And since Dixon doesn't speak, you will be the only target? Just checking that you know your position...

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    Ya that just what he does, eventually the argument would end up in he's a PhD (or so claims) and I'm not thus there for he is right, even though this is not his field, nor the fact that he is not infallible, and to top it off a appeal to authority is not a valid argument. I’m not going to get started in that again he will never learn.
    Last edited by WellCookedFetus; 07-24-04 at 10:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus
    PaulSamuel,
    You realize that if you are merely backing up Dixon because Fetus is going against him,
    no i'm not, and i've said the same things in this very thread about a year ago, but since it's not my field, i've not followed the thread closely. one can go back and find my posts if one's interested.

    i'm actually a little offended that you'd think I have so little integrity that i'd take a position merely cause some lame brain had the opposite position.

    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus
    eventually the real physicists might move in for the kill? And since Dixon doesn't speak, you will be the only target? Just checking that you know your position...
    well, the only thing i'd be a target of really is some knowledge. i'm not much of a physicist, just the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
    Ya that just what he does, eventually the argument would end up in he's a PhD (or so claims) and I'm not thus there for he is right, even though this is not his field, nor the fact that he is not infallible, and to top it off a appeal to authority is not a valid argument. I’m not going to get started in that again he will never learn.
    Fuck you, you asshole.

    I'd like to see you provide any evidence of that claim, you fucking liar!

    And stop calling me at work you fuck! You ought to be banned for that!

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    i'm actually a little offended that you'd think I have so little integrity that i'd take a position merely cause some lame brain had the opposite position.
    No need to be offended. Your and Fetus's animosity are well-known around here. And I was just checking. I know of you only by your feud with Fetus. I don't think I've really participated in any threads with you. So have no direct experience of your 'character'. So, take no offense. I'll shut up now and let you and the Fetus duke it out.

    I still say that the thread might as well be left open. It's the oldest running thread in this forum. Even though it's due to the efforts of a single man (basically) screw it. Keep it open. He keeps himself to the one thread rather than spamming the whole forum. Now, if, as Buffy mentioned, this were to inspire similar spam threads, then maybe the situation would need to be examined again. But, until such time, let him have his soapbox.

    It's too bad he doesn't live in London. Don't they have that soapbox square or whatever? Where everybody gets up and has his say in public? I bet ol' Paul would be up there preachin' up a storm.

    Oh, he also has been drafted into the scivillage thread as the village doomcryer. He's got a sandwich board and a rusty bell someone found in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus

    Oh, he also has been drafted into the scivillage thread as the village doomcryer. He's got a sandwich board and a rusty bell someone found in the woods.
    that's way cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by invert_nexus
    I still say that the thread might as well be left open. It's the oldest running thread in this forum. Even though it's due to the efforts of a single man (basically) screw it. Keep it open.
    I hate this, "awwwww, isn't he cute? leave him alone, he's just a dottering old man" argument, this thread just pisses on the whole point of forums. I have no problem with blatant advertising but I get annoyed when a forum allows it.

    So it's a long thread thread, who cares? how does that give it value? Sci-forum threads are locked on a weekly basis that offer a lot more than this one. I hate to sound like a school marm but this kind of one-sided nonsense sets a bad example. Jesus, he doesn't even deign to defend his own thread. That's what makes this spam.

    Ultimately, its a pretty small issue, it's not like paul actually has any real impact on the forum but his technique is a loophole that should be closed. Too many threads get locked for less to allow this stuff.

    It is not a thread, it's an advertisement... that bugs me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffys
    It is not a thread, it's an advertisement... that bugs me.
    i can't agree!

    What's the advertisement? The only thing he is advocating is public health. Perhaps he doesn't know exactly what the Fermi lab is doing, but I can't agree that idiots like WellCookedFetus know any more about this.

    Dr. Dixon has presented us with data and published scientific literature on the dangers of the Fermi experiments. He has defended this data as far as I know with my limited physics knowledge.

    Don't let a petty power-hungry fool like Fetus persuade you into closing this thread.

    Let's see some evidence that he's advertising or shilling for some cause.

    When I attacked Edufer in a thread in which he was attacking those who oppose nuclear power and nuclear power plants, I was able to discover his agenda as a shill for big corporate polluters, whose sole purpose was to trick and mislead non-scientists into thinking that the scientific studies on chemical and nuclear pollutants were bogus. A completely dispicable act that I exposed.

    Let's see a similar exposure of Dr. Dixon's motives before we hang him out to dry.

    And, BTW, no one here has done anything to Edufer for his spamming.

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    SUPERNOVA FROM EXPERIMENTATION AT FERMILAB

    Many thanks to everyone and especially to Paul Samuel for your most kind support and action in this tragic concern.

    The arguments brought forward in this connection are those of Relativistic Cosmology as devised by Albert Einstein and Willem de Sitter. So far, the greatest efforts have been made to test this theory and in all instances, it has been proven accurate in all scientific tests.

    The energies at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory have been advanced to extreme levels of most grave emergency now at 103.43E30 luminosity at near to 2 TeV. Please contact your members of Congress in your state or if in another country please contact the members of Congress of the State of Illinois to prevent the generation of a Type Ia Supernova via highest-energy physics experimentation.

    All the children will thank you for your kind efforts on their behalf and may the good God have mercy on our souls!

    ALL BEST WISHES

    Yours sincerely,

    Paul W. Dixon, Ph.D.
    Last edited by Paul W. Dixon; 07-26-04 at 12:12 AM.

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    why thank you for proving that your not a bot, now could mind telling me why cosmic rays of much higher energies can not induce these Supernov?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsamuel
    Don't let a petty power-hungry fool like Fetus persuade you into closing this thread.
    My views of this thread have nothing to do with fetus's views or yours for that matter. I have no idea what brought about your little feud but keep me out of it, thats between you two.


    Let's see some evidence that he's advertising or shilling for some cause.
    if you can't see evidence in this thread that he's advertising a cause there's nothing I can say that will convince you. Again, it's not the advertising or the cause per se that makes it spam. There are many threads that advocate products or ideas (eg. macintosh vs pc, islam vs christian, etc.) the reason these are not spam is because the thread maker joins the debate, if someone just wrote over and over, "macintosh is great! pc sucks!" but never addressed points from others it becomes spam in my book. This is what paul is guilty of and why I argue he doesn't deserve to have his thread remain open. He may have very valid points but since he refuses to discuss my and others' questions his posts cross the line from simply "advocating" an idea to spam.

    When I attacked Edufer in a thread in which he was attacking those who oppose nuclear power and nuclear power plants, I was able to discover his agenda as a shill for big corporate polluters, whose sole purpose was to trick and mislead non-scientists into thinking that the scientific studies on chemical and nuclear pollutants were bogus. A completely dispicable act that I exposed.
    and how did you uncover his agenda? through discussion with him, something paul doesn't engage in. Hell, I respect edufer more because he at least put himself into the debate.

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    if Paul W. Dixon does nto answer my question would that count as evidence that Paul W. Dixon is unable to answer his critics and that this is just spam?

    (come on Paul W. Dixon lets have a discusion here for once)

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    They oughtta have an ignore thread feature... Ignore user just isn't cutting it when the thread still pops up.

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