Do Psychopaths Always Have a Bad Trip?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Carcano, Aug 22, 2014.

  1. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    I was watching this documentary on the natural drug Ibogaine tonight, and started thinking about how pre-existing psychological conditions can influence psychedelic experiences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZSQgT5iW0

    Its been said that neurotics are dominated by FEAR...while psychopaths are dominated by HATE.

    But how does this effect what is perceived under the influence...as opposed to a well adjusted person???
     
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  3. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Sure looks like some good stuff accordin to the video;;; mayb it affects the brain in a "shock-treetment" sort of way wit chemicals insted of electricity :shrug:
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting video.
    The people doing the treatments are very professional.
    If less competent people started doing it, or people tried it at home, deaths might result.
    Then it would be demonised.
     
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  7. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Electroconvulsive therapy has a high rate of relapse and risk of memory loss. I really dont know if its ever been used for opiate addiction.
     
  8. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    I imagine its already been demonized, seeing as it's illegal in many countries.

    Yes, there does seem to be a narrow window between the effective dose and the lethal dose.
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    For the most part any psychedelic can potentially have positive effects in regards to peoples overall disposition. The main reason while being under the influence is referred to as "Tripping" is quite simply your brain takes a break from functioning how it normally does on a day to day basis. Instead a person becomes a wash with thoughts and potentially visual and auditory hallucinations which they should already be aware isn't how their brain would normally function. It's literally a "trip" to somewhere else. I guess you can say it's like having day excursion away from your mundane mind.

    As for how people react in relationship to Psychedelics, that is really down to what people they are with and what atmosphere they surround themselves in. For instance "tripping" while going to a shop to buy a pint of milk* isn't the best surroundings, since everyone in the shop and around the shop is going to be preoccupied with their mundane existence. Having a person walk in with Widely dilated pupil's snickering to themselves and talking to inanimate objects will likely freak out anyone who isn't tripping, which in turn freaks the tripper out. (If you see a guy talking to his shoe, let him, as long as he's not arguing with it about how many people he should kill in the room, they by all means freak out a little.)

    (*Incidentally it's a good idea to stay away from Dairy products while tripping since it tends to enhance certain effects. It's suggest if you eat cheese before going to bed you'll have vivid dreams, so you can only imagine the reaction of a "dreamlike state" having dairy products applied.)

    The best place for trippers is actually out in the open (fields, beaches, deserts etc) with fellow trippers away from the hustle and bustle of normal mundane life. (Out in the open reduces the chances of Agoraphobia creating a bad trip.)

    How a person feels after a good trip is literally like they've been on holiday. They've been somewhere no-one else has gone and will be excited, they'll want to tell all to anyone that will listen and feel extremely positive about the whole influence. This is why when people return from such a trip they'll can seem like they suffer a form of temporary synaesthesia while trying to "cram" what they've seen into the simplest of vocalised forms.

    Incidentally certain drug addictions damage the positive reward centre of the brain, psychedelics tend to rekindle those reward centres. Where hope might of been lost, it's potentially regained.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I've talked down many people that were having a bad trip and they went on to become OK people that didn't to harm to others. I never had any bad trips and have ingested 1000 MIC's and nothing went wrong. Like was stated being outdoors is a very good way to trip and having others with you will also add to the experiance.
     
  11. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, that has to do with the immediate external environment, but what about the thread question?

    That is to say, the internal psychological environment, as in psychopathy for example, or even mental retardation.

    The characteristics of a psychopathic personality are defined in psychiatry as follows:

    Boldness. Low fear including stress-tolerance, toleration of unfamiliarity and danger, and high self-confidence and social assertiveness.

    Disinhibition. Poor impulse control including problems with planning and foresight, lacking affect and urge control, demand for immediate gratification, and poor behavioral restraints.

    Meanness. Lacking empathy and close attachments with others, disdain of close attachments, use of cruelty to gain empowerment, exploitative tendencies, defiance of authority, and destructive excitement seeking.

    As an extreme example, we have this interview between a psychiatrist and Richard Kuklinski, the mafia's most famous hitman...a true psychopath in every sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psoq8qYvx18
     

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