Conservation of Kinetic Energy

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by one_raven, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Assume a stationary fundamental particle in an idealized vacuum – particle a.
    Now, fire an identical particle – particle b – at particle a in a straight line at speed x.
    Given the properties of a fundamental particle (perfectly incompressible point) I assume particle a will transfer all its kinetic energy to particle b, without any loss. The collision would result particle a coming to a full stop and particle b continuing particle a's original trajectory at speed x.
    Is that correct, so far?

    Now add a third identical fundamental particle to the equation...
    Again, start with particle a stationary.
    This time fire particles b and c at particle a at speed x from exactly opposite positions, so they both strike particle a from opposite sides, simultaneously.
    My first response was to think particles b and c will both transfer their kinetic energy to particle a, which will return an equal amount of energy to each particle, causing particles b and c to return in the direction from which they came at speed x.
    There's something about that answer that just doesn't sit right with me, and I can't quite figure out what it is...
     
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  3. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Does it matter that these are particles? Can they be billiard balls?
     
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  5. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    It could.
    Fundamental particles are, by nature, incompressible, dimensionless points.
    That, along with the idealized vacuum, assures a perfectly lossless transfer of kinetic energy.
     
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  7. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    I think that's what happens. What's the problem?
     
  8. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    No problem. Just looking to verify.
     
  9. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I was asking this to clarify that particle interaction is to be disregarded, that the conditions are equivalent to ideal balls rolling on a frictionless table. From there I was going to suggest that you consider the way a cue ball recoils when it strikes a stationary ball. Ideally, then you could simply treat this as a simple case of elastic collision.
     
  10. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks.
     

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