why light is consist of seven or more color not only three color?

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  1. Paul Leung Registered Member

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    I think light is only consist of three colors, red , green and blue. And it is not consist of seven color or more.
    The reason is when light dispersed by prism, there have overlap by red, green and blue.

    If light only have one kind of color, and it through a prism, the result should be below.
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    If light consist of two kind of color.
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    If light consist of three kind of color.
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    We can see that the picture of "If light consist of three kind of color" is very similar to goethe observation in goethe color theory

    We know that when three primary color combine, they can form other color.
    when red combine with green, it become yellow and when green combine with blue it become cyan.
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    So the result should like that
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    So I think the color we see after light through a prism, yellow is the combination of red and green,
    cyan is the combination of green and blue.

    if yellow is the combination of red and green, cyan is the combination of green and blue, why the last color is violet not blue.
     
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  3. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    There aren't 3 types of color -- there are three dimensions of color.

    These dimensions may be described in terms of the response of the three types of cones at the back of the eye which are responsible for color stimulus or they may be described in terms of the physiological sensations of X, Y and Z of the CIE 1931 standard observer or they may be described in terms of combinations of three physical R, G, B stimuli or they may be described in terms of hue, saturation and intensity, etc.

    In a similar way, three dimensions of spacial location may be described with Cartesian or spherical coordinates.

    But it's not true that all color sensations can be generated by just 3 physical primaries, because even the best possible choice of a red, green and blue primaries will not reproduce all the colors of the spectrum.

    If you choose 435.8 nm, 546.1 nm, and 700 nm then you will be especially poor at trying to replicate the sensation of 505 nm or 740 nm light. If you choose 435.8 nm, 517 nm, and 740 nm then you will be especially poor at trying to replicate the sensation of 495 nm or 565 nm light. This is because the full physical range of color is a convex shape in three dimensions and no finite number of points in the interior or surface of that three-dimensional solid of possibilities can form a convex hull enclosing all possibilities. This is why the X, Y and Z stimuli of the 1931 standard observer are unphysical colors, useful for their mathematical not physical properties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_1931_color_space
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_color
     
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  5. Farsight

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    Light has a wavelength. It doesn't really have a colour. Colour is a quale. It's how we interpret light, in our heads.
     
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Many animals can see a wider spectrum of light than we do. Many birds, for example, have a fourth type of photoreceptor that responds to ultraviolet light. This is how they can tell the males from the females: They have ultraviolet pigmentation that we can't see.

    Bees have something like seven kinds of photoreceptors. This allows them to discern minute differences in the color of flowers, so they can identify the ones that are ripe with nectar.

    Animals that are more active at night, like dogs and cats, have fewer kinds of cones (color-sensing photoreceptors) than we have. They have more rods, photoreceptors that sense dim light but only in black and white. They don't see the world in such rich colors as we do. Dogs, in particular, are almost totally color-blind by our standards.
     
  8. Paul Leung Registered Member

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    Further explanation

    I want to further explain my assumption. The question "why light is consist of seven or more color not only three color" is only consider the visible light and not include invisible light.

    And I think newton made a mistake in his observation in the light through a prism experiment, because he not notice that light has
    overlap when dispersed by prism. If only one line of light to through the prism, it sure do not has any overlap between different colored light after dispersed by the prism,
    But when a beam of light through a prism it sure has overlap between different colored light after dispersed by the prism. And the different colored light is only three types, red, green and blue.

    The most important proof is why green light is not appear at the first when white light dispersed by the prism and green light is appeared in the middle.
    If there is only one line of white light through a prism, green light sure will
    appear at the first when dispersed by prism. Green light is not appear at the first because it is overlap with blue and red to form white light this time.

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    If the assumption of visible light only has red light, green light and blue light is correct, it also can explan why sky is blue not violet.
    I found a answer claimed that sky is blue not violet is "Violet is shorter wavelength than blue and is scattered more strongly.
    The sky is not violet because sunlight is weaker in violet compared to blue and the eye is less sensitive to it."
    This is not a convincing answer, I believe the eyes is not less sensitvie to violet, the eye is no problem to identify violet in daily life.
    And the last color in visible light is blue light is more convincing.

    And there is one more prove in below photo. It also can apply my assumption.

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  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    How about responding to the explanations you have been given, for why you are mistaken?
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    All mammals are colorblind (dichromatic), except for a number of primate species.
     
  11. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Light does not have color, light has wavelengths. The receptors in our eyes respond to different wavelengths which our brain interprets as "color". Most human's eyes respond to three different wavelengths. Colorblind people (usually) only have 2 color receptors.
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    They have three, but one is not working properly.
     
  13. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    He doesn't really seem interested in any input, he just wants to put out his idea even though it is fundementally flawed.:shrug:
     
  14. el es Registered Senior Member

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  15. el es Registered Senior Member

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    Newton's spectrum has a more natural relationship with the emission spectrum.

    How would you explain the yellow atomic sodium D-line emission if you had to use red and green?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, it has all colors in the light, from violet to red.

    No, green light does not appear first because it is not the longest or shortest wavelength of light. The color we see as violet is the shortest wavelength, and the color we see as red is the longest wavelength. Green is in between.

    The eye is less sensitive to violet. Just because you can see it doesn't mean you are just as sensitive to violet as you are to other colors.

    Also keep in mind there are two kinds of purple - spectrally pure violet (short wavelengths) and mixed red and blue (short and long wavelengths.) We see these as the same color because of the limitations of our eye. They are not the same spectrally.
     
  17. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    Using the 1931 CIE data on the color response of the eye to pure spectral light and the spectrum of "Standard Illuminant D65", and the cannonical definition of sRGB used by most browsers, I have made a first attempt at a color-accurate spectrum, adjusted with a background grey to as to best capture the spectral light in the limited gamut of sRGB color reproduction.

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  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Many birds and insects would place one or more additional colors to the left of violet. They have one or more additional receptors that can see into the ultraviolet spectrum.
     
  19. Paul Leung Registered Member

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    I don't know what is computer "spectrum", I found that newton stated that red combine with green to produce yellow
    , green combine with blue to produce cyan, red combine with blue to produce magenta in Newton Color Circle.
    below is link
    hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/newtcol.html#c2

    I found that newton have made a experiment that to overlap additive color to form other color by overlapping the opposite ends of two spectra
    homodiscens.com/home/ways/perspicax/color_vision_sub/art_color_theory
     
  20. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    So what. Did you read the posts that responded to your OP? Color is simply how our brains process the interactions of the electric field of photons with a specific energy and the cones (photo receptors) in our eyes.
     
  21. Paul Leung Registered Member

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    I think you have a bit misunderstand, I mean why green is so late to see after light through a prism.

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  22. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that english is not your first language so part of the problem may be that.

    The deviation angle of the light rays leaving the prism is a function of the wavelength. The different colors we see are due to the different waveleghts (or energy) of the light waves.

    Look at this.
     
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