Why Is The "White Supremacist" Movement So Strong?

[RedStar]

If there is anything which disgusts me more than capitalism, it's the especially vicious right-wing neo-nazi and neo-fascist movements that advocate racism, xenophobia, hatred, and ethnic cleansing. They are problematic in the United States, Russia, and across Europe, as well as South Africa and increasingly in Australia.

While they are by no means a majority, they are a violent and dangerous minority. They are as dangerous as any mafia or drug cartel. In the United States, they seem to be popular in homogenous rural areas like the Mid West and parts of the South.

Why do you think they are so widespread? And how can we fight it? Thoughts?

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If there is anything which disgusts me more than capitalism, it's the especially vicious right-wing neo-nazi and neo-fascist movements that advocate racism, xenophobia, hatred, and ethnic cleansing. They are problematic in the United States, Russia, and across Europe, as well as South Africa and increasingly in Australia.

While they are by no means a majority, they are a violent and dangerous minority. They are as dangerous as any mafia or drug cartel. In the United States, they seem to be popular in homogenous rural areas like the Mid West and parts of the South.

Why do you think they are so widespread? And how can we fight it? Thoughts?

I cannot address other areas of the world but your thoughts on them in the U.S. is probably VERY overblown. The groups are VERY few in number and memberships are also tiny. Their activities are generally limited to sitting around giving each other pep-talks, target practice in the woods and very infrequently showing up in some parade. And besides that, the various groups don't even have any formal ties with each other.

In short, they're pretty much just hot air.

[Fraggle Rocker]

I cannot address other areas of the world but your thoughts on them in the U.S. is probably VERY overblown. The groups are VERY few in number and memberships are also tiny. Their activities are generally limited to sitting around giving each other pep-talks, target practice in the woods and very infrequently showing up in some parade. And besides that, the various groups don't even have any formal ties with each other. In short, they're pretty much just hot air.

Apparently not. Wade Michael Page just shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and killed six people, before turning the gun on himself. He was a member of a "white power music" band.

It's been speculated that, like many ignorant Americans, he mistook the Sikhs for Muslims. This is sadly ironic, since the Sikh movement was founded for the specific purpose of running the Muslim occupiers out of India.

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Apparently not. Wade Michael Page just shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and killed six people, before turning the gun on himself. He was a member of a "white power music" band.

It's been speculated that, like many ignorant Americans, he mistook the Sikhs for Muslims. This is sadly ironic, since the Sikh movement was founded for the specific purpose of running the Muslim occupiers out of India.

There will always be exceptions to any general rule. And I say that one man and his actions hardly qualifies as a "Strong Movement."

[RedStar]

That's the thing, though. They are a minority, but tend to be very militant and violent. That's why they are dangerous. And in Europe, they are starting to get support (Golden Dawn, e.g.). They are dangerous and need to be shut down.

[quadraphonics]

Why do you think they are so widespread?

Uh, dude, ethnic nationalism is the whole basis for the geopolitical organization of the nearly the entire world. It should not surprise anybody that some percentage of disturbed or malign individuals take that and run with it. It should especially not surprise anybody that such would appeal to repressed loser types who inhabit the few countries wherein civic nationalism has the upper hand over ethnic nationalism.

[Read-Only]

That's the thing, though. They are a minority, but tend to be very militant and violent. That's why they are dangerous. And in Europe, they are starting to get support (Golden Dawn, e.g.). They are dangerous and need to be shut down.

You still don't get it - about here in the U.S., anyway. Not only are they a minority, they are such a SMALL minority as to be practically non-existent! And with the single exception that Fraggle posted about, they have done NOTHING VIOLENT here in the last few years that I'm aware of. Common street gangs and thugs are far, FAR more of a problem than these groups have ever been!

[youreyes]

The white people have lost a lot of power and control over the century, to blacks, hispanics, asians, and women. In a frantic way of the government to bring equality to the people, it took away the rights from the white people, leaving only the richest. It is very hard to live in USA as a white man, the laws have been stripped to us. The unrepresented unrecognized minority that white people are nowdays in USA is loosing numbers steadfast, the hispanics are the current majority, the asian groups are growing too. Jobs are being given to Indians and Chinese as they overflood USA, the entire nation is changing its face entirely. With all that said, the white people are one of the most intelligent and prosperous groups, as hard as the government is treating them, they are strong and are keen to adapt to a changing environment. A change is needed to bring the power to the white people, but a change through peaceful ways. Outsmart the enemy that took your job, despite them having thousands of groups helping each other in this country, and you having almost none. I believe in white people and that they will come out strong out of this race war.

[recidivist]

That's the thing, though. They are a minority, but tend to be very militant and violent. That's why they are dangerous. And in Europe, they are starting to get support (Golden Dawn, e.g.). They are dangerous and need to be shut down.

Aren't people entitled to their opinions, even if you don't like them?

[RedStar]

You still don't get it - about here in the U.S., anyway. Not only are they a minority, they are such a SMALL minority as to be practically non-existent! And with the single exception that Fraggle posted about, they have done NOTHING VIOLENT here in the last few years that I'm aware of. Common street gangs and thugs are far, FAR more of a problem than these groups have ever been!

That's not true, though. They terrorize people, businesses, et cetera. Shootings are but the most extreme manifestation of racial hatred. In prisons, the Aryan Brotherhood makes up something like 2% of the prison population but is responsible for 25% of all prison crime; and, they also carry out illegal operations from behind bars.

I think it should be a crime punishable by death to be a member of white supremacist groups. That's the only way we can take them down.

In the USA, there is: Hammerskins, American Nazi Party, Aryan Brotherhood, National Socialist Movement (and I hate them for using the word 'socialist'), among others. They are dangerous.

The white people have lost a lot of power and control over the century, to blacks, hispanics, asians, and women. In a frantic way of the government to bring equality to the people, it took away the rights from the white people, leaving only the richest. It is very hard to live in USA as a white man, the laws have been stripped to us. The unrepresented unrecognized minority that white people are nowdays in USA is loosing numbers steadfast, the hispanics are the current majority, the asian groups are growing too. Jobs are being given to Indians and Chinese as they overflood USA, the entire nation is changing its face entirely. With all that said, the white people are one of the most intelligent and prosperous groups, as hard as the government is treating them, they are strong and are keen to adapt to a changing environment. A change is needed to bring the power to the white people, but a change through peaceful ways. Outsmart the enemy that took your job, despite them having thousands of groups helping each other in this country, and you having almost none. I believe in white people and that they will come out strong out of this race war.

Friend, what does race matter? It is cosmetic. We are all human beings. We are more united by class than by race; after all, everybody, regardless of color, wants to be able to live a fulfilled life where their family can enjoy health care, education, and the material benefits of society. Race is irrelevant.

Aren't people entitled to their opinions, even if you don't like them?

Nah.

[Balerion]

I think it should be a crime punishable by death to be a member of white supremacist groups. That's the only way we can take them down.

Man, it must be hell that the Constitution keeps getting in the way of your great ideas, huh?

[RedStar]

Man, it must be hell that the Constitution keeps getting in the way of your great ideas, huh?

The Constitution was written by slave-owning aristocrats nearly 250 years ago. Why should we care?

[spidergoat]

The Constitution was written by slave-owning aristocrats nearly 250 years ago. Why should we care?

Because they were also smart.

[RedStar]

Because they were also smart.

Were they? Is that why the masses had to struggle for centuries in order to accomplish even the most meager of concessions? It needs to be understood that "We the People", at that time, meant the aristocrats in the room. The United States was never founded upon the premise of freedom and equality for all. I see no good reason to remain tied down by a colonial document.

[quadraphonics]

I see no good reason to remain tied down by a colonial document.

Nor, apparently, by the principle of freedom of speech and association. It's to be a dictatorship by some proxy for yourself, or a revolution to establish such, it seems.

[Balerion]

The Constitution was written by slave-owning aristocrats nearly 250 years ago. Why should we care?

I don't agree that the Framers can be reduced to "slave-owning aristocrats" any more than you can be reduced to "Forum-trolling communist," but how is their character relevant to the merit of their ideas?

[RedStar]

Nor, apparently, by the principle of freedom of speech and association. It's to be a dictatorship by some proxy for yourself, or a revolution to establish such, it seems.

Can you point out a country in the world that has real free speech?

Balerion, I don't argue with people who think I'm a "forum-trolling communist".

[Balerion]

Balerion, I don't argue with people who think I'm a "forum-trolling communist".

In other words, you don't have a good answer to my question. Got it.

[RedStar]

In other words, you don't have a good answer to my question. Got it.

I do. Your point is irrelevant. They did not even intend their "ideas" for the masses. Individualism was thought to be the individualism of the elite, among the intellectuals and property-owners. Some of the "Founding Fathers" supported some rather reactionary proposals.

Do some of their ideas have merit? Yes. But even then, so what? Ideals don't run the real world. Material forces do.

[Balerion]

I do. Your point is irrelevant. They did not even intend their "ideas" for the masses. Individualism was thought to be the individualism of the elite, among the intellectuals and property-owners.

If that's true, then why did the document they wrote ensure those rights for everyone irrespective of class?

Some of the "Founding Fathers" supported some rather reactionary proposals.

I'm sure. What does that have to do with anything?

Do some of their ideas have merit? Yes.

There ya go. Wasn't so hard, was it?