08-05-12, 07:16 AM #61
Or would you rather have Sunni nationalists in power, massacring everybody else, like they have historically done?
A revolution spearheaded by the non-Sunnis, and by the proletariat.
There is no reason to believe that their present feigned concern for the Syrian people is any different.
You misunderstand the delicate balance of power in Syria. Syria is not like the United States. Sectarian differences can become problematic. Syria needs a minority leader in power in order to protect the non-Sunnis, which constitute 30% of the population (and Christians about 40% of that)
As I've said, I've visited Syria, and honestly, there were no problems in the country when I visited and it was under Assad's government.
It was a safe and largely open country.
Now, these "revolutionaries" are murdering people (and yes, they have been shown to murder civilians) for no good reason.
Nobody wants a Sunni theocracy
and I guarantee you the Muslim Brotherhood will get into office if there was no Assad.
08-05-12, 09:26 AM #62And those KKK members think "Fuck Obama"
I think "fuck the CIA
and the US business interests"
and "fuck radical Islam"
I'll have to side with Assad.
I'm a Marxist-Leninist
The Alawites of Syria have long been oppressed, brutalized, and murdered by the majority Sunnis.
I don't trust this movement.
My conception of liberty doesn't include the liberty for religious extremists to murder minorities
people on the international stage have already recognized the movement as the foreign-backed sham it is
How free and legitimate are American elections
Syria has had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
and has been one of the safest countries in the Middle East for ages now.
So why did the United States support Saddam Hussein and Fulgencio Batista
Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state—destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista—hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend—at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.
Imagine making that kind of criticism of a sitting politburo while running for office in the era of Lenin. Or: over an open mike in Syria.
Christian minority in Syria would have a lot less to fear for their safety if they hadn't spent decades supporting a nasty, brutal dictatorship
Dictatorship is inherently bad. It violates the fundamental right of political self-determination.
A dictatorship of the working class is not bad. Dictatorship means control of power
I trust Russia a hell of a lot more any day of the week.
I never said Assad was pure or innocent; only, that he was a better choice than the Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia Law.
I can trust the intentions of nations like Switzerland more, who don't have a history of corruption and hypocrisy
The Alawites have been murdered and massacred for years. Before Hafez Al-Assad, it was they who lived in fear.
I can point out [Russia's] successes without saying "Hey, let's return to an exact copy of Stalin's Russia"
I'm not on the side of the US war machine. I'm not on the side of the people who brutalized the Third world.
I can't tell if you [sg] are trolling or serious when you defend imperialism.
do you realize how chauvinistic and even Nazi-ish some of your posts defending imperialism and "might makes right"
08-05-12, 09:45 AM #63
Aqeuous ID, take it from me, an actual Syrian, who has been to Hama. Radical Islam is alive and well in the "FSA", and they are murdering people.
Assad wouldn't have to react this way if they (the FSA) weren't going around trying to destabilize the country. They are mostly foreign fighters, too, from Libya and Saudi Arabia. Everybody knows this.
Before you dare criticize my president for "human rights violations", you had better throw Bush in the slammer and all the generals and commanders responsible for the murder of not 19 thousand, but 3 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
08-05-12, 10:53 AM #64
Why not seriously entertain the idea of world domination? Align with Russia. We god East, they go West, meet in the middle. Two states until we can form our perfect utopia, much more doable with two states.
08-05-12, 12:41 PM #65
As if anybody needed greater convincing that this "rebellion" was anything more than a sham,
British and Qatari troops in Syria? Wow, sounds real grassroots
Assad is massing his troops around Aleppo and will soon righteously crush the rebellion. I hope all the rebels and their sympathizers are summarily executed. They have caused untold destruction and death with their shenanigans.
08-05-12, 01:30 PM #66
Norse don't even bother. They'll deny reality and continue their bullshit propaganda even though you are Syrian and clearly know what you are talking about.
08-05-12, 01:39 PM #67
Wait you actually watch irans state sponsored news AND believe it?? Wow, that's as bad or worse than getting your news from Fox.
The theocrats in Iran are the syrian regimes main allies, of course they are biased.
There are many groups in the mix of the resistance from what I have seen on democracy now, al Jazeera etc. As spider pointed out almost any combatant in the middle east will shout "allah akbar" for the camera.
I am still unsure but the scope of the resistance including defectors from assad's own regime doesn't tell the story of a revolt solely or mostly instigated from the outside. I mean they are fighting tanks and helicopters with IEDs and AKs
08-05-12, 01:59 PM #68
08-05-12, 02:37 PM #69
08-05-12, 03:00 PM #70
Don't let the Syrians fall. Don't let the 99% fade. Rise up!
08-05-12, 03:23 PM #71
08-06-12, 03:22 AM #72
Assad is not a chip off the old block?
Originally Posted by RedStar
That is the reality.
A true communist would support the poor workers being massacred by the very wealthy leadership who only wish to ensure the continuation of their line in positions of power. Here is how the FSA formed:
The Free Syrian Army traces its origin to early defectors from the Syrian army who refused to shoot on unarmed protesters during the Syrian uprising. The first defections occurred when the army was sent into Daraa to quell ongoing protests. There were reports that different units had refused to shoot on protesters and had split from the army. Video footage showed civilians helping defecting soldiers who had been shot for refusing orders. Defections continued throughout the spring as the government used lethal force to clamp down on protesters and lay siege on protesting cities across the country such as Baniyas, Hama, Talkalakh and, Deir ez-Zor. Many soldiers who refused to open fire against civilians were summarily executed by the army. In July 2011, seeing the need for action Riad al-Asaad and a group of officers announced the formation of the Free Syrian Army with the goal to protect unarmed protesters and to help overthrow the regime.
A true communist would be supporting those protesting civilians, not the despotic regime whose only intent is to ensure succession along the family line and murdering thousands of civilians in a bid to secure that goal.
08-06-12, 04:19 AM #73
Actually a true communist would support neither, since both are reactionary. I choose Assad over the rebels because I am against imperialism. And you ignored Norse's posts.
08-06-12, 05:09 AM #74
I do find it funny how their are a bunch of americans acting like they a have a firm grasp on what is going on here. sorry but we americans don't( those of you accessing foriegn are excused from this) have a firm grasp of it. their are all sorts of details going on that we will never know and they can be rather important and big ones. I'm not saying your not allowed to have any opinion or what not but just remember even if you have torn through all available sources state side your not speaking from a fully informed postition so just be careful about assuming certain things. I know firsthand the information gap that can occur to foreign events from where they are happening and stateside. I know we all want to support the rebels going against the bad dictator but just remember their could be a whole slew of ugly underneath that we don't know about.
though anyone who uses the army to shoot protestors needs to not be a leader.
08-06-12, 10:41 AM #75
08-06-12, 11:05 AM #76
Thankfully for you, you do not live in Syria. If you did, you would not be posting on this site and you would mostly likely find yourself imprisoned or murdered by the Assad regime because you declare yourself a communist.
In a 2006 report, Human Rights Watch reported on the continued detention of "thousands" of political prisoners in Syria, "many of them members of the banned Muslim Brotherhood and the Communist Party." According to the Syrian Human Rights Committee that there were 4,000 political prisoners held in Syrian jails in 2006.
So please, do not give me the "I'm a Communist" line and then support someone like Assad. If you do, as you are now, it means only one thing... You are a fake. A poser. A wannabe who does not understand the true implications of your words and political beliefs when declaring support for someone like Assad.
As for Norse's post. What of it? He, like you, supports a murderous regime that is shaping itself up as being a type of system one would see in Monarchist of old, the only difference here is that Assad is not a King, just a self appointed leader after an election where there were no opposition parties or members.. And ensuring succession to other family members who may one day take over from him.
However Norse may have an excuse. He may possibly still have family remaining there and for their safety, may be supporting Assad.. unlikely, but you never know. However, we do know that internet use in Syria is not only very much censored, but it is very closely monitored.
But make no mistake, this is what you are supporting when you are sitting here and hoping that he is victorious:
The United Nations, meanwhile, has documented that Syrian security services officers had gang raped boys as young as 11 years old during the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad. The report also documents over 250 children killed - some as young as two years old.
And you have the nerve to call yourself a Communist.. As I said before, you are nothing but a fake.
08-06-12, 11:28 AM #77
Another one bites the dust...
At this rate, he won't have anyone left..
AMMAN, Aug 6 (Reuters) - Syrian Prime Minister Riyad Hijab has defected to the opposition seeking to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, a spokesman for Hijab said on Monday, marking one of the most high profile desertions from the Damascus government.
Syrian state TV said Hijab had been fired, but an official source in Amman said the dismissal followed his defection to neighbouring Jordan with his family.
"I announce today my defection from the killing and terrorist regime and I announce that I have joined the ranks of the freedom and dignity revolution. I announce that I am from today a soldier in this blessed revolution," Hijab said in a statement read in his name by the spokesman, which was broadcast on Al Jazeera television.
Syrian state TV announced Hijab's dismissal as government forces appeared to prepare a ground assault to clear battered rebels from Aleppo, the country's biggest city.
Assad appointed Hijab, a former agriculture minister, as prime minister only in June following a parliamentary election which authorities said was a step towards political reform but which opponents dismissed as a sham.
08-06-12, 11:47 AM #78
It's the lesser of two evils approach. I didn't say I liked Assad; I said he is better for the country than the rebels. And that's true. The rebels are murderers, terrorists, and extremists. How can you call yourself a humanitarian when you support them?
08-06-12, 12:00 PM #79
I'm not asking. I'm actually gonna be a dick here and offer you the opportunity to support that or request that you leave this subforum.
08-06-12, 12:03 PM #80
Assad is following directly in the footsteps of his father and his type of regime will continue until he is forced from office and free elections held. And you deem this to be the lesser of two evils?
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