What is death ?

**hansda** · 07-19-12, 07:02 AM

Is it real or an illusion ?

In death , who really dies ?

Is death, end of life or beginning of life ?

I think we can understand our life better, if we can understand death well.

So, what is death ?

**spidergoat** · 07-19-12, 09:57 AM

That's that thing, when your body ceases to function at all and rots.

**~~wlminex~~** · 07-19-12, 10:02 AM

My take? . . . . Death is the culmination of cessation of living physical attributes (that we can measure). Loss of physical attributes does NOT infer that other non-physical attributes (e.g., consciousness) also cease . . . . such may be continuous, beyond physical death. In some traditions, physical death is the beginning (or continuation(?) of rebirth.

**Yazata** · 07-19-12, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by hansda

Is it real or an illusion ?

As a phenomenon, it's real. We might be mistaken about whether death has occurred in particular cases.

In death , who really dies ?

Whatever biological organism we happen to be talking about, provided that it is dying. I wouldn't always use the word "who" to refer to it though. A worm isn't a "who" in my opinion.

Is death, end of life or beginning of life ?

Death is the cessation of biological life, simply by definition.

I think we can understand our life better, if we can understand death well.

We can perhaps understand biological life better if we contrast what living organisms are doing on the physiological and biochemical levels, with what deceased organisms are no longer doing.

There may also be some kind of spiritual value in coming to terms with death.

So, what is death ?

The cessation of physiological activity on the organismic and cellular levels.

**spidergoat** · 07-19-12, 10:05 AM

There is no evidence of any non-physical attributes.

**Gremmie** · 07-19-12, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by hansda

So, what is death ?

When my body bloats and goes into rigor, that's death. When I begin to decay, that's death.

I'm not really sure what you're asking here.

I think you understand that life ends?

**~~wlminex~~** · 07-19-12, 10:13 AM

Spidergoat:

IMPO: That is why we have such difficulty in 'detecting' non-physical attributes.

**gmilam** · 07-19-12, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by hansda

So, what is death ?

The triumph of entropy.

**hansda** · 07-19-12, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

When my body bloats and goes into rigor, that's death. When I begin to decay, that's death.

Thats true. So, you mean to say in death, only our body dies.

I'm not really sure what you're asking here.

Are we really our body ?

I think you understand that life ends?

If we are our body, death is the end of our life.

If we are not our body, death can not be the end of our life.

**Gremmie** · 07-19-12, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by hansda

Thats true. So, you mean to say in death, only our body dies.

As far as I know, yes.

Are we really our body ?

Umm, yeah.

If we are our body, death is the end of our life.

If we are not our body, death can not be the end of our life.

If we are not our body, what are we?

**hansda** · 07-19-12, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by gmilam

The triumph of entropy.

How you co-relate death with entropy and its triumph ?

**hansda** · 07-19-12, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

If we are not our body, what are we?

We may be something different from our body, which may not die alongwith our body.

**Gremmie** · 07-19-12, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

If we are not our body, what are we?

Originally Posted by hansda

We may be something different from our body, which may not die alongwith our body.

I'm guessing you mean a "spirit" or "essence". This may very well be, but we have no way of knowing this, till the time comes. (I'm in no hurry to find out.)

**hansda** · 07-19-12, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

I'm guessing you mean a "spirit" or "essence" This may very well be, but we have no way of knowing this, till the time comes. (I'm in no hurry to find out.)

May be something like that.

**wynn** · 07-19-12, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

I'm guessing you mean a "spirit" or "essence". This may very well be, but we have no way of knowing this, till the time comes.

What makes you so sure of that?

Do you believe that your current state of knowledge/experience/insight is as good as it will ever get for you, as long as you live?

**spidergoat** · 07-19-12, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by wlminex

Spidergoat:

IMPO: That is why we have such difficulty in 'detecting' non-physical attributes.

Then why assume there are any?

Originally Posted by hansda

We may be something different from our body, which may not die alongwith our body.

There is no evidence of that.

Originally Posted by wynn

What makes you so sure of that?

Do you believe that your current state of knowledge/experience/insight is as good as it will ever get for you, as long as you live?

No, but that's no reason to believe things without evidence.

**Gremmie** · 07-19-12, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by wynn

What makes you so sure of that?

Do you believe that your current state of knowledge/experience/insight is as good as it will ever get for you, as long as you live?

I invite you to show me where I ever said I was "sure" of anything.

**darksidZz** · 07-19-12, 12:24 PM

You can imagine what it's like, I also use analogy for it. Whenever we die we loose all memory of what our lives were like before. This happens because our brain is where memory is stored not our soul, the soul just stores wisdom and insight. You know sudden realizations you have? Well ahem...... it is said the soul merely records growth. Thus when you die, you are reincarnated to another body with a new purpose. But................ I can't say I find this at all fair, I mean going through life over an over again for what purpose? IMO the spirit worlds and that isn't good enough to keep suffering the idiocy of ppl in life idk

But then again I also considered for some death might be an escape from bad lives, into new ones. IDK

**wynn** · 07-19-12, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gremmie

I invite you to show me where I ever said I was "sure" of anything.

You said:

I'm guessing you mean a "spirit" or "essence". This may very well be, but we have no way of knowing this, till the time comes.

You said "we have no way of knowing this" - this is an expression of certainty.

**Gremmie** · 07-19-12, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by wynn

You said:

I'm guessing you mean a "spirit" or "essence". This may very well be, but we have no way of knowing this, till the time comes.

You said "we have no way of knowing this" - this is an expression of certainty.

Pick nits much?

I was merely giving my opinion.

Maybe you know something I don't?... If so, by all means, do tell.