06-27-12, 01:27 PM #1
Issues of morality shuts Christians up.
Issues of morality shuts Christians up.
I know I have done well in an O. P. when Christians run from a discussion.
I wrote these two posts and got almost no response. Not a usual thing for my posts. This tells me that I hit the nail right on the head and Christians have no apologetics to refute my claim.
If you accept this as universal morality, you will reject God.
God does not follow the first rule at all.
The bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or sin.
This shows that what many thinks is our number one moral value was completely ignored by God.
Is God immoral or has man gotten morality wrong?
If God was right, then are we to believe that fathers are to bury their children instead of the way people think in that children should bury their parents?
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.”
On earth as it is in heaven.
If you had God’s power to set the conditions for atonement, would you step up yourself or would you send your child to die?
God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.
I think that the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty perpetrator is immoral. Be it a willing sacrifice as some believe with Jesus or unwilling victim.
I also think that God, who has a plethora of other options, would have come up with a moral way instead of an immoral and barbaric human sacrifice.
I agree with scriptures say that we are all responsible for our own righteousness as well as our own iniquity and that God cannot be bribed by sacrifice.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
I believe as I do because I believe that the first rule of morality is harm/care of children.
Do you agree that the notion of substitutionary atonement is immoral and that God’s first principle of morality is hare/harm and that this would prevent him from demanding the death of his son?
This lack of opposition to the premise given tells me that Christians may actually be more moral than what I give them credit for. They do not walk their talk in these cases and that is a plus.
Seems Christians actually recognize good morals even if they do not preach them.
I thank Christians for confirming my view that they are just following tradition, dogma and culture while not really following their God. Thank God for that. Any sane man would reject the bible God.
06-27-12, 01:52 PM #2
So this is an outright spamming of this topic you stared:
Most likely people, theist and atheist alike, don't have the patience to sit through a 20 min video with only the highly dubious goal of engaging you. Why don't you try linking a transcript or at least provide the time marks in the video that correspond to your points?
Too much work? Exactly.
06-27-12, 02:58 PM #3
06-27-12, 03:19 PM #4
"If people claim that what we say is false or reject it, this is proof that we are right."
A person who is speechless due to awe or lack of insight for reply, as well as a person who ignores you, may both be silent - but they are so for entirely different reasons.
06-27-12, 03:47 PM #5
Every time you start a thread here GIA, I always wonder who you think you're talking to. I mean, there really don't seem to be that many Christians around here at all. Certainly very few who are fundamentalists, anyway.
06-27-12, 04:05 PM #6
So why not post complete ideas, without any external link, before assuming a premature victory based solely on a lack of response. Or should all of the cranks who go ignored also be claiming victory?
06-28-12, 08:17 AM #7
06-28-12, 08:18 AM #8
06-28-12, 08:21 AM #9
06-28-12, 08:46 AM #10
It just seems to be kinda like walking into a Belgian beer cafe and trying to convince everyone there to stop drinking south African wine.
06-28-12, 10:04 AM #11
Originally Posted by GIA
You cannot have it both ways, so either define everything you reference within your posts or accept that many people do not have the time to watch a 20 min video just to find out what point you are trying to make.
Right now you are basically claiming a premature and unwarranted victory based solely on you being too lazy to make you own points in full.
Originally Posted by GIA
But, as above, I assume you are also too lazy to simply look up Biblical literalism, even though you expect others to sit through a 20 min video.
06-28-12, 10:20 AM #12
Or to perhaps better make my point of people not being willing to watch your linked video, you should watch the first two minutes alone.
Within which he clearly spells out for you that conservatives (those not as likely to be open to new, novel experiences and the theists you claim an unwarranted victory over) are less likely to be interested in that sort of video in the first place.
Go figure. The answer to your lack of response was there in your video all along. If you had watched it as many times as you've posted a link to it then perhaps we could have done without this pointless thread.
06-28-12, 12:22 PM #13
06-28-12, 12:25 PM #14
06-28-12, 01:36 PM #15
06-28-12, 01:49 PM #16
The bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or sin.If God was right, then are we to believe that fathers are to bury their children instead of the way people think in that children should bury their parents?If you had God’s power to set the conditions for atonement, would you step up yourself or would you send your child to die?
Personally, I'm quite certain that the Bible is merely a bunch of well editorialized bullshit (in terms of it's metaphysical truth value anyway), but I don't find your arguments against it all that compelling.
06-28-12, 02:36 PM #17
06-28-12, 08:13 PM #18
A person can believe that a man named Jesus existed and taught, even if they attribute the more colorful parts of his myth to exaggeration. Biblical literalism/fundamentalism is the specific tendency to take everything but the most blatantly obvious literary devices as literal. Thus your false dilemma that all Christians are literalists/fundamentalists.
06-29-12, 10:41 AM #19
06-29-12, 12:20 PM #20
Notice that the only reply you've received in this thread that is directly on-topic you have completely ignored:
Originally Posted by Rav
This leads me to believe that most of your (GIA) threads are nothing more than propaganda pieces.
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