07-07-12, 09:22 PM #261
(all these nations were incidentally National Socialists by the way.)
So according to you the Third Reich never happened? And you are back to citing Hitler’s statements as your source.
Income tax is stealing Joe, sorry that you can't understand that, or that doesn't still well with you, but pointing a gun in someones face and taking their money "For the Glory or God" or the "Good of 'The' Nation" is still stealing. And there it is. Bonding your child's labor, is immoral. One would think that this should be self evidence? What's so hard to get here? Bonding the labor of your children to the Chinese government is immoral. Explain to me how it isn't immoral. Again, here we are. Counterfeiting / printing money is immoral because it is, again, stealing. Each new dollar that's printed into existence obtains value by all the other dollars that have value and, as you know, takes a little value from each of them. ALL these other fiat peaces of paper loose there real value which is why we have inflation. That's stealing Joe. That's immoral. I fail to see why this is so hard to understand
Last edited by Michael; 07-08-12 at 01:58 AM.
07-10-12, 02:16 PM #262
07-10-12, 08:30 PM #263
By all means, though, please provide documentation of the various times that you have had a gun pointed into your face by a tax collector. Should make for fascinating reading.
What is hard to understand is why you think anyone will take your rhetoric seriously - you never substantiate anything you say, or engage with any direct questions or criticisms. You just keep repeating the same bizarro slogans and hurling insults. Who do you think you're fooling?
07-10-12, 10:23 PM #264
1. Income Tax
Try NOT paying income tax, you will have your paychecks garnished. You may even be sent to prison. I find it shocking to think you support taxing a person's productive labor. Why do you support that? You OWN your labor. You're the one being paid. Why on earth would YOU have to PAY for the privileged of working!?!? You didn't buy something. You didn't make a purchase. You were being paid for your labor. Which you own.
The only reason you think Income Tax is right is because it's legal. If it were illegal, then you'd think it was wrong. We know this because in the 1800s that was the case with most Americans. The Founding Fathers did NOT want Americans paying Income Tax which is why some crooks had amend the actual US Constitution to get it done.
When a 30 year bond is sold to the Chinese. What are they buying? They're buying your child's labor. The bond can only be paid back through the labor of the people who will be working in 30 years. It's immoral to sell someone else's labor. Particularly if they had no say. AND of children! Jesus!?!? What has this nation come to? Of course, without Income Tax it wouldn't be possible to pay those bonds and so they wouldn't be sold. Which is why Income Tax and Bonded Labor go like hand in glove.
Jefferson clearly states "Each generation is to PAY ITS OWN WAY".
..... and people wonder why America is going into the toilet.....
Oh, you think 'legal' money printing is moral .... oooooo... but counterfeiting is not moral. Why? What's the difference between the two - other than legally. I mean, economically, what's the difference. The Central Planners have a goal of 2% inflation per year. That is immoral because it takes from savers and people on fixed income. Do the math - its that simple. Stealing is immoral.
You really have to hand it to the Public School system. And whoever came up with the Pledge of Allegiance? Got to hand it to them -they're good.
Last edited by Michael; 07-11-12 at 01:36 AM.
07-11-12, 01:15 AM #265
I'm curious quadraphonics: do you, like Joe, think it's the role of the Central Government to control and plan our economy? It seems to me, you support the notion of Centralized Banking with a single currency given value through fiat. You also seem to support the use of the Central Government using social incentive's (tax breaks) and regulation over that of free-market and law. Is this true? If not, just how much on a scale of 0 - 100 do you think the Central Government should have influence and direct control over our monetary system?
Also, do you agree with the notion that when demand is down, the central government should step in and do 'stuff' to increase aggregate demand? If so, how does government-induced increasing of 'aggregate demand' efficiently distribute limited resources in society without a free-market feed back system to allocate the products?
Lastly, do you agree with the statement: "Ending is better than mending"? IOWs it's much better to keep people employed producing 'goods' that will soon be discarded and replaced with new goods in a never ending cycle. Rather than producing durable goods that once made, last a long time - maybe a life time.
Last edited by Michael; 07-11-12 at 01:41 AM.
07-11-12, 02:11 PM #266
Taxes are the price you pay for using the road(which we all paid for with our taxes), enjoying the protection of a police force(which we all paid for with our taxes), having a safety net that attempts to catch you when you fail(as we all do or could do), and enjoying the benefits of a modern society(which our taxes made possible). You're crying because we, collectively, have decided not to let you freeload. Waaaah! Pay you taxes or run for the border. Run to a country without running, clean water or sewage systems, roads or police and no rule of law and no safety net to rescue you from starvation, murder or invasion. Might I suggest somewhere in central Africa. I hear they don't have taxes, but the local warlord will stick guns in your face anyway, taking your money without needing to build you a road.
07-11-12, 03:31 PM #267
Simply refusing to pay taxes - as opposed to actual tax fraud - does not result in jail time in the jurisdictions I'm familiar with.
Your rhetoric doesn't add up - you present arguments as if they're against specific types of taxes, when they are simply generic arguments against any kind of taxation. And then you get mad when people suggest that you are opposed to any and all taxation.
Your statement there, if taken seriously, applies as much to any given corporation as it does to a government.
One can infer that you must be an elderly person, probably with considerable savings and likely contemplating living on a fixed income (if not doing so already) by your myopic focus on the interests of such, and blithe dismissal of the interests of other sectors of society.
07-11-12, 03:39 PM #268
One very important function of the state in the economy, however, is to ensure that markets can function efficiently and usefully. This means stuff like providing court systems to peacefully settle disputes, preventing major externalities from being priced out of markets, enforcing anti-trust and accounting requirements, ensuring non-discrimination, etc.
All of which is a far cry from a centrally planned economy - that term refers to a system wherein bureaocrats directly allocate resources, set prices, dictate production and investment decisions, etc. If you can't see the major, salient difference between that, and central banking then you evidently have your head so far up your own ass as to render your perspective totally stilted and risible.
07-12-12, 12:43 AM #269
People in Pakistan pay Taxes - why aren't they living in the modern world? People paid in plenty of tax in the middle ages - yet, you just said it wasn't that great to live then. The Romans paid tax. The Taliban charge tax. Paying taxes does not create a prosperous society.
Oh, and it was the free market created the modern age not paying in tax.
Last edited by Michael; 07-12-12 at 12:49 AM.
07-12-12, 12:48 AM #270
No child labor is involved in paying government debts.
You think this is moral?
Why? Why do you think you have the right to buy something your children will have to pay for in 30 years?
Suppose someone offered to sell their own child's labor? They said: Boy, you live in this eer house. It needs a roof. I'm selling you to work for 20 years to pay off my eer roof. When you is a done working each day, you can sleep eer in this house. You'll got ta do this eer. On a count-n you were born through not fault of yer own into this eer house.
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