06-12-12, 04:08 AM #61
He can't forget (he has all knowledge).
He can't feel (involves changing from one mental state to another - God only exists in a state of ALL KNOWING).
He can't be surprised, thus he doesn't find anything funny (knows all punchlines).
"He"... dare I say "It" exists as a celestial hard-drive in the sky.
It can't want, as It has everything as It is "Perfect".
Thus It creates and destroys consciousnesses ....only on whim.
It, is quite creepy if you ask me.
06-12-12, 12:55 PM #62
Michael, et al,
I'm not promoting one side or the other. But none of these limits apply to an Infinite Being, Supreme within the Universe, which has "GOD Powers."
This is false logic, which is neither sound nor valid relative to human limitations applied to the "Infinite Supreme Being (SB);" if you consider the SB to be omnipotent and omniscient. If your definition excludes these "GOD Powers," then, you can apply the limitions, but you would not be applying them to the SB.
06-13-12, 07:32 PM #63
Did he deserve it?
Was the destruction of Sodom evil and deserved?
Was God having his son murdered needlessly evil and deserved?
Was the genocide of Noah's day evil to the innocent children and babies and deserved?
God had many moral options for all of those.
Do you find him guilty like these good people do?
06-13-12, 07:37 PM #64
"If Jesus is Pacifism, maybe God is Love."
To say God is love is to insult love.
Last edited by Greatest I am; 06-13-12 at 07:44 PM.
06-13-12, 07:46 PM #65
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06-14-12, 08:28 AM #68
"A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus, for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie).
Hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent r said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a reason to do so."
Above 2 definitions at wiki suggest that God simply has limitation that he can not go against his nature.
06-14-12, 11:32 AM #69
06-14-12, 11:37 AM #70
Is causing others to lie morally wrong?
If you put a lie in someone’s head, and they pass on that lie believing it to be true, are you culpable for those passed on lies or is the one you lied to originally culpable?
If God does the same and puts a lie in someone's head and they pass it on, is God a liar?
Give a clear answer and not the type of B S you gave above or have the good grace to just go away.
06-15-12, 12:33 AM #71
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06-21-12, 07:35 AM #75
Greatest I am, et al,
I apologize for my tardy reply; my other life intervened.
Lying has to do with statements of fact and knowledge; not statements of faith. So, in this case, seldom we we counter-claim with the accusation of "lying."
I have never seen an atom (subatomic particle). But I have faith in the rigors of science, it philosophy and its methodology. I believe there is such a thing as an atom.
No one has ever felt, seen or detected the fabric of space; but it is widely held to be a characteristic of the universe. No one has every fully described gravity; yet we all see and feel a phenomenon that we call gravity.
06-21-12, 01:26 PM #76
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