Why does everyone think China and the U.S. are gearing up for war?

[data2.0]

They are huge trading partners and the largest economies in the world. Why aren't they getting along and why doesn't China try and raise its peoples standard of living?

[Buddha12]

Can you tell us exactly why you think they aren't getting along for I really don't see anything that looks like a big problem. America owes China Trillions of dollars so why would China want to create a big problem for someone that owes it so much and trades with it in the trillions of dollars too. While there's some talk about human rights and illegal trading deals there's not much in the arms confrontation that I read about. Maybe you have some links that we can read that shows us why you seem so concerned.

[Epictetus]

Beats me what the current fuss is about, but I do remember Dubya getting upset about a captured spy pilot or some such thing (look it up)and he was making war noises against China, trying to pick a fight. It stumped me then because China pays our national debt, or the interest on it, anyway. China has been keeping the U.S. solvent for years. If they wanted to hurt us all they would have to do is yank the teat away from our lips - but they're not that stupid! They know that as the U.S. goes, so goes the world. So there was Dubya gettin 'all worked up about 'them Chinamen' and then came 9/11...

[kx000]

China wants to play imperialism, America can stop them. On top of that, America SHOULD be playing imperialism. Why we haven't taken over the Caribbean islands, and Mexico is beyond me. Being imperialist isn't all so bad.

[data2.0]

here is a link, one of the concerns is cyber attacks.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...iref=allsearch

China holds debt yeah but so do a lot of other people and we hold other countries debts so...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneym...-China-Own.htm

[data2.0]

we aren't imperialists because its not very globally prosperous and there is little advantage to taking over mexico because we do have a free trade agreement with the rest of North America. we don't need imperialism we just need to unite the planet and create a fourth layer of gevernment, that being the world governmnet above federal, state, and local.

[CptBork]

They're not going to war, that would be economic suicide for both nations, which means political suicide for their governments. At worst they'll be competing for military influence in the 3rd world as they gradually soak up what's left of the world's resources.

[The Esotericist]

They're not going to war, that would be economic suicide for both nations, which means political suicide for their governments. At worst they'll be competing for military influence in the 3rd world as they gradually soak up what's left of the world's resources.

Agreed.

But behind the scenes, there will be increasing sophistication in covert attempts to sabotage one another. The U.S. and North American continents have been largely immune to these sorts of attacks thus far, but as China becomes more wealthy and technologically advanced, eventually it will have some success in its' attempts to do damage to the U.S. in return.

If a nation can't prove who is doing that catastrophic damage. . . than the damage can be done, and no international prestige is lost to the attacker and no war is resultant.

. . . Perhaps the U.S. has already been attacking China. Perhaps China has already been attacking the U.S.

Also, if I am not correct, in this and every subsequent particular election, because of a supreme court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission all international elites now have their sticky hands in American politics. Our system? It's no longer the people's anymore. It's up for auction to the world's highest bidders, that includes the Chinese. Who needs war when you can just buy the finest most corrupt government on Earth and control it like a puppet? Hell, the Israelis and other Zionists in Europe have been doing it since before the sixties through benefactors in country, now it's just easier for elites in all nations to participate!

This change stems from the majority opinion's unprecedented elevation of corporations to equal status with individual citizens in the sphere of political speech. For convenience's sake, the law does periodically describe corporations as "legal persons" and "citizens" of the state in which they are incorporated. But in Citizens United, the majority has taken this legal short-hand literally. In the majority's opinion, courts are no longer permitted to take into consideration elements such as limited liability, perpetual life and preferential tax treatment that distinguish a corporation from an individual citizen when analyzing a corporation's rights, nor are courts allowed to treat corporations differently from actual persons (as they have been doing since the country's founding.) After Citizens United, the law can no longer look behind the curtain of the corporate form: Citizens United commands that the law pertaining to political speech treat corporations exactly as individual citizens. Simply put, distinctions between corporations and human beings are no longer permissible and limitations on corporations' political speech are unconstitutional.

In treating corporations the same as individuals, Citizens United leaves the door wide open for foreign influence in our politics. In the case of Chinese corporations, this also means foreign government involvement. Most multinational Chinese corporations, like Haier, China Telcom, and China State Construction Engineering Corporation (CSCE), have U.S. subsidiaries. These are companies incorporated in the United States: Haier's U.S. subsidiary, Haier American Holding Corporation, China Telecom's subsidiary, China Telecom Americas, and CSCE's subsidiary, China Construction America, are all incorporated in Delaware.

What is unique to Chinese corporations is the scope of their government ties--indeed, some are controlled outright by the Beijing government. Unlike in, say, Western Europe, places like China, Russia and Vietnam still have a fair share of government-run corporations. Haier, China Telecom and CSCE are all officially government-run. While the Chinese government does not meddle in the corporation's daily affairs, it will exert its influence if it suits the government's self-interest. For example, in 1994, Haier, a manufacturer of washing machines and refrigerators, was pressured by the Chinese government into acquiring a pharmaceutical company, a venture that ended badly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizab..._b_441936.html

[CptBork]

But behind the scenes, there will be increasing sophistication in covert attempts to sabotage one another. The U.S. and North American continents have been largely immune to these sorts of attacks thus far, but as China becomes more wealthy and technologically advanced, eventually it will have some success in its' attempts to do damage to the U.S. in return.

If a nation can't prove who is doing that catastrophic damage. . . than the damage can be done, and no international prestige is lost to the attacker and no war is resultant.

. . . Perhaps the U.S. has already been attacking China. Perhaps China has already been attacking the U.S.

And the potential risks of sparking a conflict would be worth the benefits of sabotaging the other side because...? Like if one country poisons the other country's water supply with testosterone, are you saying the resultant shrinkage of male reproductive organs in the victims would produce such a grand ego boost amongst the attackers as to be worth the benefits of a global nuclear war?

Don't be silly. The only harm these countries do to each other involves stealing sensitive technologies and violating patent and copyright laws. Aggressive actions are simply not worth the risk, especially to nations intelligent enough to successfully conduct such actions in the first place.

[The Esotericist]

No no no. I'm talking about super secret technologies, Scalar Weapons sir.

Very difficult to prove they were used, indistinguishable from natural disasters.

Contrary to the scientific propaganda, orthodox science is ruthless in defending its doctrine against all would-be heretics. Much of science has been converted to a religion, instead of a science. Any person knowledgeable of scientific history can cite numerous examples of scientific suppression, character assassination, and essentially banishment. Gauss's nonlinear geometry, Wegener's continental drift, Mayer's discovery of the conservation of energy, Ovshinsky's amorphous semiconductors ... come readily to mind.

U.S. Military Officers Warn: Russia and China Lead in Superweapons

[kx000]

we aren't imperialists because its not very globally prosperous and there is little advantage to taking over mexico because we do have a free trade agreement with the rest of North America. we don't need imperialism we just need to unite the planet and create a fourth layer of gevernment, that being the world governmnet above federal, state, and local.

I see Mexico as an extra layer of defense with full control of the Gulf of Mexico, and Mexi-Cali is beautiful land. We can help the state a great deal. Ok, so lets hope everyone spontaneously agrees to a world peace-treaty, then lets come together all 7 billion of us, and form the perfect government. Yea right, world peace is only possible through world conquest by the perfectly strong, and moral king. A fourth layer of idiots being paid to do what the other three layers can not do? When I can get it all done myself?

[data2.0]

I see Mexico as an extra layer of defense with full control of the Gulf of Mexico, and Mexi-Cali is beautiful land. We can help the state a great deal. Ok, so lets hope everyone spontaneously agrees to a world peace-treaty, then lets come together all 7 billion of us, and form the perfect government. Yea right, world peace is only possible through world conquest by the perfectly strong, and moral king. A fourth layer of idiots being paid to do what the other three layers can not do? When I can get it all done myself?

Mexico is already on our side, it would be next to impossible for anyone to invade America. we have oceans on either side of us. Mexico could probably use our help with their drug cartels but we are the ones who keep buying from them. I feel the world has steadily been moving to global peace. The biggest factor in our way is energy. the middle-east and Africa are the few remaining hotbeds of war. the world is coming together with the North American Free Trade Agreement and the european union. So what do you want? A totalitarian empire built on death and destruction. sort of the opposite of what America was based on. I thought the U.S. was all about self-determination

[Fraggle Rocker]

The next wars will be cyber. Disabling an enemy's information infrastructure would be more devastating than a physical attack. Surely you're all old enough to remember Y2K. (Which BTW was real but we barely got all the critical systems remediated in time. Non-critical systems were failing right and left throughout 2000 and well into 2001. I still have the thirteen "monthly" mortage statements from 2000 and the $2000 electric bill.)

It's also cheaper and doesn't require sending your own children out to die.

And you can blame it on somebody else!

[kx000]

The next wars will be cyber. Disabling an enemy's information infrastructure would be more devastating than a physical attack. Surely you're all old enough to remember Y2K. (Which BTW was real but we barely got all the critical systems remediated in time. Non-critical systems were failing right and left throughout 2000 and well into 2001. I still have the thirteen "monthly" mortage statements from 2000 and the $2000 electric bill.)

It's also cheaper and doesn't require sending your own children out to die.

And you can blame it on somebody else!

Good luck obtaining that sort of intel.

On a more serious note.

"today's technological development which has turned modern war into a suicidal nightmare and which will put an end to war. This was already predicted by Kant, who expected "perpetual peace" to be established not due to the moral perfection of man but due to modern warfare, which would be so unbearable that mankind would see itself forced to guarantee everlasting peace." - Ludwig Quidde

I already suggested war to gain world peace, the second option would be citizens of globe to get out of their house and demand it.

[kx000]

Mexico is already on our side, it would be next to impossible for anyone to invade America. we have oceans on either side of us.

Impossible for one nation, but multiple nations can throw a punch.

Mexico could probably use our help with their drug cartels but we are the ones who keep buying from them.

Mexico is weak. If we don't take it over then it leaves that land open to be taken over by someone else who can use it to mount a serious attack on the southern states.

I feel the world has steadily been moving to global peace. The biggest factor in our way is energy. the middle-east and Africa are the few remaining hotbeds of war.

I mean the U.S, Russia, China, England, Japan, France, Spain, Korean Peninsula, and S. America are all hunky dory and not suffering from economic collapse or internal protesting. I mean, Egypt, and Israel aren't suffering. Oh, and there is no, and I repeat no genocide currently taking place in Syria.

the world is coming together with the North American Free Trade Agreement and the european union. So what do you want? A totalitarian empire built on death and destruction. sort of the opposite of what America was based on. I thought the U.S. was all about self-determination

"Illuminati, secret society do exist." Those bs regional unions will eventually form into a single global union with a pre determined government made "strong" to "protect" us from "danger." So obviously they have to keep track of all of us 24/7, increase military influence, and obviously they have to be mysterious to protect themselves. When did I mention death?

[data2.0]

any group of nations that would attack the U.S. wwould be facing multiple countries. No one is going to start a major war. The current state of politics would suggest no one would want to invade, and even if that unlikely event were to happen we would defend Mexico and so would even more of the world than that would come to our aid. Next up, I believe the current state of suffering will lead to a turning point. It really depends on how much stuff escalates. Also Syria isn't the only one doing genocide. I still don't understand why everyone thinks any world government would create a police state. Also did you intend to create an empire without going to war with anyone? No one likes the illuminati. we should be more socialist and take the power out of the hands of the wealthy. now I haven't been following free energy until recently but it seems to me that there are many breakthroughs recently such as the e-cat, hyperion, and that one that uses water vapor instead of hydrogen as a power source. free energy = less power for the wealthy, yeah the 21st century I believe will be a turning point in history. I could be wrong. there could be new phony free energy stories all the time. what do I know? nothing.

[Asguard]

The US is a dying empire and it cant handle its own irrelivence thats all.

[joepistole]

The US is a dying empire and it cant handle its own irrelivence thats all.

Funny, some things never change. You know pre war Japan and Germany thought the same thing. You might want to ask them how well WW II worked out for them. Most recently Bin Ladin thought the same thing, you might want to ask him how well it worked out for him. Oh that's right, you can't. Those incompetent irrelevant Americans killed him and fed him to the fish. Oh well.

[Epictetus]

The US is a dying empire and it cant handle its own irrelivence thats all.

Sure it is. The 20th was The American Century, and now the 21st is The Chinese Century. It doesn't seem quite fair since China had some pretty good centuries in the past.

You comment reminds me of the old quote: 'America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.' (Oscar Wilde, perhaps)

[superstring01]

Why does everyone think China and the U.S. are gearing up for war?

I wish I could mark this as "questions that contain assumptions".

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