Should gay marriage be voted on by states or made a federal law

[river]

its kind of a bizzare conundrum

there has been so many church problems with sexual abusive priests etc.

and yet there is vote on lesbian and gay marrige

[NMSquirrel]

its kind of a bizzare conundrum

there has been so many church problems with sexual abusive priests etc.

and yet there is vote on lesbian and gay marrige

lol..so are you saying it should be illegal to be a priest?

[river]

I don't have a problem with same sex couples , it happens there is nothing we can do about it , really

its a reality

but for any church to be envolved is just , well unjust

inotherwords gay marrige should be federal law , period

[NMSquirrel]

I just found this on face book...

[Buddha12]

I remember when Blacks were slaves under the law and everyone thought that was OK.

I remember when women couldn't vote under the law and that was OK.

I remember when segragation was the law and that was Ok.

Strange that now we discuss gay marriage and there's no law that says they can't be married that I'm aware of on the federal level, or am I mistaken?

[NMSquirrel]

I remember when Blacks were slaves under the law and everyone thought that was OK.

I remember when women couldn't vote under the law and that was OK.

I remember when segragation was the law and that was Ok.

Strange that now we discuss gay marriage and there's no law that says they can't be married that I'm aware of on the federal level, or am I mistaken?

you must be old..

[keith1]

I remember when Blacks were slaves under the law and everyone thought that was OK.

I remember when women couldn't vote under the law and that was OK.

I remember when segragation was the law and that was Ok.

Strange that now we discuss gay marriage and there's no law that says they can't be married that I'm aware of on the federal level, or am I mistaken?

The US federal government relegates those duties to the states. One can get divorced in a different state than they got the Marriage License. Divorce law varies in details from state to state. Length of waiting period, cost, paperwork variations, etc.
Marriage can be officiated in a church (church official), a County Courthouse (local judge)--the County level Clerks office registers the license paperwork. A marriage can be officiated on a ship (by a ship official). I suppose I should add Chaplain, which is a non-denominational religious military official.

[joepistole]

I remember when Blacks were slaves under the law and everyone thought that was OK.

I remember when women couldn't vote under the law and that was OK.

I remember when segragation was the law and that was Ok.

Strange that now we discuss gay marriage and there's no law that says they can't be married that I'm aware of on the federal level, or am I mistaken?

Marriage is not an ennumerated power. Therefore it is a power relegated to the states. It would be unconstitutional for the federal government to legislate any law regulating marriage.

What you are seeing here are advocates for same sex marriage trying to get the courts to treat same sex marriage as a civil rights issue. If the courts should rule that same sex marriage is a civil rigths issue, then state law could not deny marriage rights to same sex couples.

There are some red states where same sex marriage will never be the law of the land for the foreseable future (e.g. Kansas, Texas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc.). So the only hope for a quick and universal acceptance of same sex marriage is through the federal court system - getting a ruling that same sex marriage is a civil right.

[gmilam]

Civil rights... These are rights you have just by being a citizen, right?

[joepistole]

Civil rights... These are rights you have just by being a citizen, right?

What determines the rights given to all citizens? It is the Constitution. The Constitution does not address same sex marriages or discrimination against homosexuals.

Point in fact, it is perfectly legal to discriminate against homosexuals in the United States. So unless and until the court rules homosexuality as a protected class, it will continue to be legal to discriminate against homosexuality. The US military only recently stopped discriminating against homosexuals.

Now the morality of discrminating against homosexuals is another matter. In my view, it is clearly immoral to discriminate against homosexuals.

[Buddha12]

So unless and until the court rules homosexuality as a protected class,

And now they want to be in a class of their own? That makes me a little suspicious about their agenda if that's what they are trying to seek. If you start legislating who is and who isn't protected you soon start a division within society that has many damaging affects and causes more problems than they want.

[keith1]

However,
It is not immoral to break a homosexual male's bike, if a heterosexual male is indiscriminately sexually propositioned in passing, by said bike riding homosexual individual.

I'm saying that as a fact. Live with it, homosexual male, with bent bike and skinned elbows.
Should of had elbow pads to match your knee pads.

[joepistole]

The very good news is that American society is much more accepting of homosexuality than it was a decade ago. And it is becoming more accepting of it with time, it is a matter of the law catching up with society. I think one day it will get there, but I just don't see it happening any time soon with the current set of supremes.

[Buddha12]

However,
It is not immoral to break a homosexual male's bike, if a heterosexual male is indiscriminately sexually propositioned in passing, by said bike riding homosexual individual.

I've been to many parties in my life and when I was there I was propositioned by other men. I've learned that by just telling them I'm not that way or I am really not interested in them but prefer women , it makes them understand where I stand and they usually just stop trying to "flirt" with me. While I really do not like someone doing that I still give them there right to at least ask since I'm not bothered by any advances because I know where I stand and soon so will they. I have been advanced on by a few gay men to the point where I told them not to touch me ever because I do not like them to do that and gently remove their hand away from my leg or arm but with a very firm grip expressing my displeasure in them doing that. You don't need to become that physical , in most cases, if you are ever approached by anyone gay or straight.

[Chipz]

The very good news is that American society is much more accepting of homosexuality than it was a decade ago. And it is becoming more accepting of it with time, it is a matter of the law catching up with society. I think one day it will get there, but I just don't see it happening any time soon with the current set of supremes.

We shall reverse this trend Joe, and hopefully closets will be full once again.

[NMSquirrel]

I've been to many parties in my life and when I was there I was propositioned by other men. I've learned that by just telling them I'm not that way or I am really not interested in them but prefer women , it makes them understand where I stand and they usually just stop trying to "flirt" with me. While I really do not like someone doing that I still give them there right to at least ask since I'm not bothered by any advances because I know where I stand and soon so will they. I have been advanced on by a few gay men to the point where I told them not to touch me ever because I do not like them to do that and gently remove their hand away from my leg or arm but with a very firm grip expressing my displeasure in them doing that. You don't need to become that physical , in most cases, if you are ever approached by anyone gay or straight.

this is where i am at..
I tell them i do not have a problem with them being Gay if they don't have a problem with me being straight..I even spell it out what would cause problems between them and me..(flirting,making a pass at me, acting gay..etc.)
but also when ever i have spelled it out, i got the feeling that i didn't have to.
i think it would have been enough just to tell them i am not gay..

[Buddha12]

this is where i am at..
I tell them i do not have a problem with them being Gay if they don't have a problem with me being straight..I even spell it out what would cause problems between them and me..(flirting,making a pass at me, acting gay..etc.)
but also when ever i have spelled it out, i got the feeling that i didn't have to.
i think it would have been enough just to tell them i am not gay..

I understand your point however I'm just doing the same thing in my own way which seems to work out just fine but will consider your thoughts if I might have another proposition. I never make a big issue over it with anyone and still find that, sometimes, those who approach me want to discuss other issues of the day.

[keith1]

The lesser a man is a man is gauged by his willingness to surrender his right to invent and maintain that image he has made of himself, as only he can make, and no one else can seriously emulate...and dare dictate.
Take flack like a man. They cannot invent you, imagine you, nor replace you.
Stay thirsty my friends.