# Thread: Causality is real.

1. ## Causality is real.

What are your thoughts?

2. Duh?

3. Originally Posted by Believe
Duh?
Noh Duh.

4. Originally Posted by dummy_
Noh Duh.
Really, when was the last time you un-did one of your actions?

5. Originally Posted by Believe
Really, when was the last time you un-did one of your actions?
Today would be the first as all my other posts show.

6. Causality didn't always reign. I think physics supports spontaneous uncaused events.

7. Originally Posted by spidergoat
Causality didn't always reign. I think physics supports spontaneous uncaused events.
Of course!

8. Originally Posted by spidergoat
Causality didn't always reign. I think physics supports spontaneous uncaused events.
So you're saying that if 99.99999999999999999999% (obviously I calculated this ) of things require a cause, causality is not real.... ok.

9. Causality is concurrent with the arrow of time which is an apparent reality but not necessarily an ultimate reality. We suppose that the world of the photon is not causal and that the worlds of particles like the positron and anti-quark may be retrocausal. If so, then ultimate reality has at least two other realms outside of causal reality. On the other hand, if this is true, then causality may be relative to the direction of time, so the the anti-quark instantiates as a quark in the retrocausal realm, and from its world line we are the ones traveling backwards. Also, if special relativity were to remain intact in all realms, then this might imply that to exceed the speed of light is to leave the causal realm by way of the noncausal (photon) realm, and flip the arrow of time, entering the retrocausal realm at a speed that is locally less than light, but which regards our velocities as all equal to v+c. That is, ultimate reality might contain two realms of opposing arrows of time, only momentarily symmetric at each instance of particle creation/annihilation, but everywhere else asymmetric, a strange mirror folded at an apex which is the timeless middle world of the photon. It would have to be a dynamic fold, one that tracks every instant of every photon.

10. Right. Causality is as real as anything else. Then again, is everything else real?

11. Originally Posted by dummy_
What are your thoughts?
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Causality sitting on a bench with Justice the other day, feeding the pigeons. That's innocuous enough. But elsewhere, even the muggers are getting perturbed about the disturbances that a growing number of restless concepts and inebriated abstract objects are responsible for over there in David Hume park. One rowdy bunch led by Berkeley's general idea of a triangle knocked the head off of Karl Pearson's statue, which is located several feet from the duck pond. No doubt the Board of Nominalism is getting an earful of complaints from residents who live in the vicinity, too.

12. Originally Posted by Aqueous Id
Causality is concurrent with the arrow of time which is an apparent reality but not necessarily an ultimate reality. We suppose that the world of the photon is not causal and that the worlds of particles like the positron and anti-quark may be retrocausal. If so, then ultimate reality has at least two other realms outside of causal reality. On the other hand, if this is true, then causality may be relative to the direction of time, so the the anti-quark instantiates as a quark in the retrocausal realm, and from its world line we are the ones traveling backwards. Also, if special relativity were to remain intact in all realms, then this might imply that to exceed the speed of light is to leave the causal realm by way of the noncausal (photon) realm, and flip the arrow of time, entering the retrocausal realm at a speed that is locally less than light, but which regards our velocities as all equal to v+c. That is, ultimate reality might contain two realms of opposing arrows of time, only momentarily symmetric at each instance of particle creation/annihilation, but everywhere else asymmetric, a strange mirror folded at an apex which is the timeless middle world of the photon. It would have to be a dynamic fold, one that tracks every instant of every photon.
Retrocausality is also real.

13. Originally Posted by C C
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Causality sitting on a bench with Justice the other day, feeding the pigeons. That's innocuous enough. But elsewhere, even the muggers are getting perturbed about the disturbances that a growing number of restless concepts and inebriated abstract objects are responsible for over there in David Hume park. One rowdy bunch led by Berkeley's general idea of a triangle knocked the head off of Karl Pearson's statue, which is located several feet from the duck pond. No doubt the Board of Nominalism is getting an earful of complaints from residents who live in the vicinity, too.
I just read that Hume reached the same conclusion. Thank you.

14. Originally Posted by dummy_
What are your thoughts?
That your title doesn't express anything clear enough to address.

15. Originally Posted by ughaibu
That your title doesn't express anything clear enough to address.
Se the three posts above as a refutation to your response.

16. Originally Posted by C C
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Causality sitting on a bench with Justice the other day, feeding the pigeons. That's innocuous enough. But elsewhere, even the muggers are getting perturbed about the disturbances that a growing number of restless concepts and inebriated abstract objects are responsible for over there in David Hume park. One rowdy bunch led by Berkeley's general idea of a triangle knocked the head off of Karl Pearson's statue, which is located several feet from the duck pond. No doubt the Board of Nominalism is getting an earful of complaints from residents who live in the vicinity, too.
Hah!

17. Originally Posted by Aqueous Id
Causality is concurrent with the arrow of time which is an apparent reality but not necessarily an ultimate reality. We suppose that the world of the photon is not causal and that the worlds of particles like the positron and anti-quark may be retrocausal. If so, then ultimate reality has at least two other realms outside of causal reality. On the other hand, if this is true, then causality may be relative to the direction of time, so the the anti-quark instantiates as a quark in the retrocausal realm, and from its world line we are the ones traveling backwards. Also, if special relativity were to remain intact in all realms, then this might imply that to exceed the speed of light is to leave the causal realm by way of the noncausal (photon) realm, and flip the arrow of time, entering the retrocausal realm at a speed that is locally less than light, but which regards our velocities as all equal to v+c. That is, ultimate reality might contain two realms of opposing arrows of time, only momentarily symmetric at each instance of particle creation/annihilation, but everywhere else asymmetric, a strange mirror folded at an apex which is the timeless middle world of the photon. It would have to be a dynamic fold, one that tracks every instant of every photon.
Andrew Gray has proposed an alternative to quantum theory and he defends it nicely. Look it up.

18. Originally Posted by C C
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Causality sitting on a bench with Justice the other day, feeding the pigeons. That's innocuous enough. But elsewhere, even the muggers are getting perturbed about the disturbances that a growing number of restless concepts and inebriated abstract objects are responsible for over there in David Hume park. One rowdy bunch led by Berkeley's general idea of a triangle knocked the head off of Karl Pearson's statue, which is located several feet from the duck pond. No doubt the Board of Nominalism is getting an earful of complaints from residents who live in the vicinity, too.
Well said! A joy to read. (but "inebriated"?)

19. Yeah. I walked in to get a burrito, my mind was clear. Casual as a stone.

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