Ron Paul ad - running on TV

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    YOUTUBE: Ron Paul ad - running on TV

    If you don't want to see a BillyT style total collapse of the world's economic monetary system (which often results war). Then I'd watch the video and forward it as a DVD or link to people aged 45 years and older.

    I believe the video suggests about 40% of over 45 year olds switch their vote to Ron Paul after watching the video.

    Or we continue down the spiral with whomever gets elected: Obama, Romney, maybe Bush or Clinton again? It really doesn't matter because they're all the same.
     
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  3. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Its a brilliant ad... even though I dont agree with Paul on many issues.

    Most republicans are bible thumpers and will never support a libertarian like Ron Paul. Personal liberty and Christianity are NOT compatible. They are also compelled to support Israel by waging endless wars against its enemies in the middle east. Paul wants to shut all that insanity down and bring the troops home.

    Most democrats are terrified of libertarianism because it removes their safety net, make-work projects, and bureaucratic employment programs.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    A pretty amusing ad, I especially liked the cartoon. I also liked the part where it claims that Ron Paul has never been wrong and then shows Ron Paul making statements that are unquesionably and verifiably wrong (e.g. US income tax). Ron Paul says we have only had an income tax since 1913. He apparently didn't do well in American history along with several other subjects. It was great, a man being billed as "never being wrong" comes out in the first minute of the tape with a whopper of an error/mistake.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Early_Federal_income_taxes
     
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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, I know. But, do we even want a Libertarian in office when the collapse happens? Not unless they really repeal major Civil Liberties (which, the Joe's of the World would line right up for their forehead tatoo - because big brother loves him and keeps him Mooo).

    Seriously Joe, I recall MSNBC had a push a few years ago about how "Antiquated the US Constitution was" and you were Mooing right along with each pat on the head :shrug: Remeber, and then you were all like: I'd be willing to pay the Fed even more than 6% they're so great at keep the Oligarchs in power...errrr stability in the market.

    Ron Paul wrote: End The Fed, you can look into his deep understanding of Income Tax therein. He was obviously referring to our long history of having NO income tax and the Amendment of the US Constitution (coinciding with the creation of the Federal Reserve). In a 3 second sound bite, where you're just trying to spark a small bit of brain activity in a few percent of the public, ya gotta keep it simple. You know, like when Bernanke gets on TV and lies right through his teeth. Or Obama says "I will bring the troupes home. You can take that to the Bank". Or Bush praddles on about the virtues of the Patriot Act. See, all these things have to be bite size as the American psyche can't take more than a few slivers of information before imploding in on itself and then the drool usually erases what was left of any semblance of thought culminating in an anal scratch, finger sniff, pause, scratch again..... :shrug:


    If ONLY you could apply 0.1% of your criteria towards Obama or Helicopter Ben.


    Oh well, we live in your socialist paradise - I hope you like it because we're only getting more of it.
     
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  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I watched it one more time and what I'm really thinking is: End The Fed, End The Fed, End The Fed

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  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    No I don't recall MSNBC running a piece about how antiquated the US Constitution was, perhaps you can provide some evidence? But what does that have to do with the claim made in the ad that Ron Paul was never wrong, and then the first words out of his mouth are clearly wrong.

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    First, the US income tax did not originate in 1913 as Paul had claimed. It began in 1861, more than 50 years earlier. Two, do you have proof of Bernanke lying? No you don't. Because Bernanke has not lied. Three, socialism and all of that other stuff is not true nor is it relevant to the topic at hand.
     
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  10. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    What Paul wants first and foremost is for federal powers to return to the States...and this is where I disagree.

    I dont think there should be any States or Provinces whatsoever.

    My ideal nation would be a Confederation of City States...with the federal government covering national infrastructure, defence and legal systems.

    Thats it!
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    joepistole,

    He was referring to the 16th Amendment. Most Americans do not understand we have not always had Federal Promissory Notes and used to use real money.
    Simple enough for you?
    Read his book: End the Fed and you will understand Paul's little toe nail has a better grasp of how the financial system works then most people will ever have - Bernanke included.

    Now, if only you could apply just 1/10th of 1/10th of a percent to thinking critically towards the Federal Reserve. But, for whatever reason you cannot. It reminds me of theists, who normally can be rational, but can not be rational when it comes to which ever god they believe. The Fed is Perfect. Bernanke, it's High Priest, is without blemish or flaw.

    Is Ron Paul perfect? No. Is anything "perfect"? Maybe a mathematical proof. That's about it. I disagree with Ron Paul regarding the rights of a woman to choose to terminate a pregnancy. But, then again, I wasn't in the profession of delivering babies either. Perhaps if I had, I'd think differently.

    As for Bernanke, he's a tool. A fool. A liar. And a crook. He and his minions have ruined the USA for a generation. They sacrificed a generation of Americans to prop up their WallStreet buddies to the tune of over $7 Trillion dollars. That's happening right now Joe. Not in some distant dystopian future. Right here an now. There are students at University selling sex to buy their books and help pay the horrendous tuition. That's the fault of the Federal Reserve and Wallstreet Joe. But that doesn't bother you because you don't give two shits about them. Under 25's have been out of work for 5 years and have had a massive debt foisted onto them. An American tax payer born today is born into tens of thousands of dollars of debt. Actually, it's close to $140,000.00 (USDebtClock.org)

    That you can not see how that is immoral says something about your character. Seriously, THAT IS IMMORAL. Not as in some airy fairy Opera Show. But as in GreecoRoman Philosophical Foundation of what's left of Western Culture immoral. A = A kind of immorality.


    Let me ask you this: When, not if, when Bank of America goes belly up AGAIN ... should the tax payer bail them out AGAIN? Are they Too Big Too Fail? Oh, of course we should. Because it's all part of the Great Bernanke's plan. Or that Assface Greenspan. Or Clinton, Bush, Obama.... Oh my Oh my Oh Moo, excuse me please, the Alpha Male has grunted I have run over and groom him now. Don't worry Joe, immorality has a smell by date and the USD is smelling mighty ripe

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  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    This seems reasonable to me. I think BillyT would agree. I'd be happy to give it a try, so long as those cities states were able to produce their own currencies (as well as the people in them).
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    Is that because most over 45 years of age aren't having children and don't have to prove they were the victim of an "honest rape", for example, to be provided with morning after drugs or offered the right to an abortion? No wonder he is aiming for people and women in particular, who are beyond child bearing age...
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    If that is what he meant, then that is what he should have said. But he didn't say that. He said something entirely different. That man who is billed as never been wrong starts out with a declaration that is clearly wrong.

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    Well then you should be able to prove your claims. But we both know you cannot.

    You have made a lot of allegations of which you have not proven even one.

    What makes you think Bank of America is going belly up again? When did it go belly up the first time around? It didn't, that is you playing fast and loose with the truth again Michael.

    Two, if Bank of America becomes insolvent, it will be ceased by the federal government and dismantled per the new Dodd-Frank law. So no, they are not "too big to fail" now.
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Bells,

    I think it's down to just plain stealing - in this case, from the future generations. That's what fiat currency does. It makes stealing seem OK both by borrowing against future labor (debt slavery via bonds) and printing away past debts (monetary inflation). Which is why politicians love it so much - they're crooks. Before we had fiat currency there was a general trend for things to get cheaper as citizens enjoyed gains in productivity. Now it's more likely you'll be work hard and longer (and maybe even with a partner) just to barely keep up.

    That's why, I think, many people don't have children until their 45 - because they're worried about bringing a child into a world where they won't have the income needed to raise children. Next time someone says "Free Healthcare" or "Free XYZ" just remember that whatever is being promised is coming at the expensive of both partners working 40+ hours a week (often resulting in stress and divorce) and MAYBE they'll have two children. You'll soon see those children working to help with bills and rent as the babyboomers sqeeze the last bit of what's left of society as future debt against their retirement and healthcare costs. Most of the time labor will be made up by importing from outside of the country. In AU I believe it's 25% at present - that will probably have to bump up to 35% or higher. This will also have an effect on society. Some good (variety of food), some bad (cultural differences and integration problems, gangs and violence).
     
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  16. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't let the wedge issues sway me one way or another.

    As he said: If a woman is 1 minute prior to birth can you abort? Why or why not? What about 1 month prior to birth? What about 1 minute after birth? What about 1 month after birth?

    These issues are definitely worth discussing, but, they are wedge issues meant to distract from the political reality which is these guys are destroying our society. All great societies fall from within. We're watching it happen right here and now.
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Have you watched the entire video from which that clip was sampled from? If so, post that link. If not, then you really have no idea do you?

    Not to mention you're being idiotic. When you're given a few minutes to discuss over 200 years of history, then you have to shorten it to the basic facts. It'd argue you can never discuss ANYTHING at all according to your strict definition of what is and is not "clearly wrong".

    We'll see.

    That said, it's not the Federal Government's role to "dismantle" Banks. Something you don't seem to understand. They go bust and the share holders get what's left after the assets are sold off, the CEO often looses his or her personal income. Of course, with the Corporation fiction to hide behind, this doesn't happen so much anymore. The CEO goes on to live the good life - like your buddy Corzine.

    We both know I'm right. You love Big Government just as much as Republicans. They want it for War you want it for your buddies on WallStreet. Remember, because "We'd be living in the Stone Age right now pointing at fire and uttering the first sounds that will eventuate into language". Remember that scaremongering you fell for? It's no different than the WMD bullshit Bush spun.

    DEM/GOP two sides of the same coin.
     
  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Michael I have asked for a cogent argument from you to support your many spurious claims. To date, you have only responed with more illogical fallacies. The bottom line is your leader who was promoted as never wrong, was demonstrably wrong in the first minute of the video.

    And you have responded by trying to say he was trying to say things he never said.

    Why is it not the government's roll to dismantle banks? Why should banks be different from any other business that goes bankrupt? The government overseas and manages all businesses that go bankrupt in this country.

    No we don't. Because if you were right you could offer a cogent evidenced backed argument. And you cannot. You have not.

    I fell for? No this is just more fantasy.
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    No he didn't. He was referring to the change in the US Constitution through the 16th amendment. Either you are ignorant of history or disingenuous - which is it? Obviously only a Muppet would think the income tax pre-1913 was anything like post-1913. Or else why did the douche bag politicians push through an AMENDMENT to the actual US Constitution. The Federal Reserve Act was ratified on December 23. Why do you think they chose Christmas Eve?

    Clear enough? As I said: feel free to read End the Fed, therein you will see quite clearly that Ron Paul is more than knowledgeable about Income Tax. Which is why HE knew we were going into a housing bubble while those douche's at the Federal Reserve were completely clueless - as the released minutes make evident. Bernanke is a joke. I hope someone goes over his Dissertation as I'd not be shocked one bit to find he plagiarized most of it. Or it's a total hack.

    Not that you'd care. The US Constitution isn't really that important for you. It's like, so old and stuff.
    I remember you saying as much a year or so ago. Admit it, you don't give two craps if Obama or Bush or the Fed Chair-Douche wipes his ass with the US Constitution or not!

    WHY?!?! Because we're not even supposed to have a freaken Central Bank! Americans made and used their own currency as money for a hundred years and did just fine. The Federal Reserve and Income Tax go together like hand in glove. Which is why they were both pushed through in 1913 and income tax had to be paid for with USD.

    See above paragraph one.

    Yes, fell for. You were the one here crying Chicken Little. The Sky Will Fall. The Sky Will Fall. Oh Gods Dr. Bernanke look at the big bulge in your pants. Is that your wallet or are you just happy to see me

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    Come on, you should change your moniker to Hyperbole or ChickenLittle

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    I quote: "If we don't bend over and let the bankers rape us, the sky will fall and we'll be living in the Stone Age eating roadkill not even able to read or write".

    What do you think of the Lies Bush Jr told to sucker the American public in the Oil Wars? What about Obama's lies? You want to talk about bullshit - Obama ordered the freaked assassination of a US Citizen! Even that ass-face Bush didn't dare do as much. Not that you care. You'll be right there ready to give him a reach-around reelection style.

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  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    As I said before, if that is what Paul was saying, he should have said it. He didn't. For a man who is being billed as never making mistakes, he shouldn't need an army cleaning up after him telling people what he meant to say.

    Two, your attempt to somehow say that the income tax before 1913 was somehow different from the income tax of post 1913 is just silly and a desperate attempt to defend Paul from one of his many factual mistakes.

    The income tax and the "housing bubble" are two very different issues. Two, the "housing bubble" wasn't the problem that created The Great Recession. It was the repeal of Glass-Stegal combined with the passage of the passage of the Commodities Exchange Act deregulating the trading of over the counter finanical securities and exempting them from state gambling laws.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000

    Paul has been preaching the same nonsense since 1971. So after some 37 years he finally found something he could stretch long enough to hang his hat on.

    Well if you remember me saying as much, then you should be able to prove it. So prove it. As a former member of the US Navy, I took an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution some 40 years ago. That oath did not have an expiration date.

    No this is you yet again substituting ad hominem and inflamatory rhetoric for reason. People like you Michael and other right wingers seem to think that their unique interpreation of the Constitution is the only correct intrepretation. Unfortunately for you and those like you, you are in the minority.

    No Michael, you are wrong again. We have a central bank because it was created through an act of Congress. And per the Constitution, Congress clearly had the power to do so.

    Two, one of the reasons the Constitution was created was to get rid of the many currencies in circulation at the time to make interstate trade easier. So you are just plain wrong on all accounts again.

    That is not factual much less cogent.

    Is there a point somewhere?

    Who are you quoting?

    You are off topic, now moving to foriegn policy. It is a different subject entirely. But I have never been a supporter of any of the Bush wars. The Bush's used war as a domestic political tool (that incudes senior and junior).

    President Obama ordered the killing of al Qaeda operatives in foriegn lands who were actively engaged in terrorists activiites and the killing of innocent Americans. So yes I support Obama's decisions to attack and kill those individuals even if by accident of birth one or two were American citizens.
     
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    OMG it's like I'm reading 1984

    Two points
    (1) Ron Paul is not perfect. In this case, he was clearly referring to the 16th amendment as he states on MANY occasions that as POTUS he will seek it's repeal and END THE FED!

    (2) I'm looking for your quote. I am sure you said something about the US Constitution being outdated. 99.354% sure you said something like this last year.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus ... .have you used the search function here? It does you head in. Buffalo Roam, Texmex, on and on and on it goes (what ever happened to BR?). You kind of start wondering if people didn't maybe die...

    Anyway, we'll clear this up. I recall you suggesting that the US Constitution was outdated and antiquated and this came right on the heals of that dip-wad Maddock suggesting as much on her brain-dead talking head comedy relief that passes itself off as news. So? Is it?

    Secondly, I AM NOT Conservative. No one is anything. Everyone has some opinions that are "liberal" and others that are "conservative". Ron Paul wants to legalize drug use. Is THAT conservative? He wants to pull out of the wars and defund the millitary and pull our bases out of hundreds of countries. Those are two freaken far LEFT positions. He wants to END the FED... that's neither left or right. He wants to REDUCE the role of the POTUS... again, not Left or Right.

    So, stop trying to box things into little bite size portions - life doesn't work like that.
     
  23. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Michael,

    All Ron Paul has ever done is make a career out of running for President based on a set of ideas that assured him of the support of the young and others who still believe in Utopia, but guaranteed that he would never actually be elected.

    He (and his family and friends) have made this into an ongoing financial windfall with apparently no downside.

    I'm sure he appreciates your support, even though he has no intention/chance of winning.
     

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