Anders Breivik Faces Sentence of 3 Months Per Murder

Last year Anders Breivik murdered 77 people In Norway. He is now on trial for this crime and even "acknowledged" that he killed these people.

If convicted, he faces 21 years in prison which might be extended to life. Might? Not only does he not face the death penalty, but 21 years could be the sentence imposed for killing 77 people?

How is that justice? Why is a mere 21 years even a possibility for a guy convicted of murdering 77 people?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17724535

 

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

Welcome to the "Wonderful New World of (absurd!) Tolerance." For years now, criminal punishment has trended toward lighter and lighter punishment along with considerably improved living conditions for the convicted criminals. And by "improved living conditions" I mean color TV, exercise rooms, more comfortable cells (bedding, toilet facilities, etc.)

All of this was brought about by court rulings which have been driven by the bleeding-heart mindset of extreme liberal thinking. For example, as our own member Aguard has said, there's no such thing as a criminal. They are just ordinary people who have a mental illness which can be successfully treated. Therefore, we should handle them with kindness and compassion.

To which I say: HOGWASH!!!!!

Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

 

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

And, with a 21 year sentence, he would leave prison at the age of 54.

Plenty of time to massacre even more people.

 

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

So we are passing judgments on the criminal penelties of other countries now? Um how much jail time did OJ get for murder? How about the guy who shot a black kid who was out buying a drink and a packet of skittles and it took international outrage to even get him CHARGED. Most of the world conciders the death penelty to be immoral, the US, china, North Koria, Some south east asian countries and Iran are some of the FEW barbarians who still use it.

 

I would think that once he entered prison someone there would murder him just like they did to Jeffery Dahrmer.

 

To the bloodthirsty

You know, I always adore these rants. People are so cute when they're trying to demand cruel vengeance.

But, I'll tell you what: The first thing we need to do is strike the words "rehabilitation" and "correctional" from our prison culture. As it is, being an American, I come from a place where these words are mere window dressing. You know, the kind of thing you say so the jailers can feel like they're not dangerous psychopaths.

Having struck rehabilitation and correction from the discussion, we can focus on what prisons are really about—incarcerating people and making them miserable.

Having admitted this, we can then acknowledge the reality: There is no point in letting these people out of jail, since all we've done is pissed them off and made them more dangerous.

Recognizing that, we see two possibilities. First, a cultural experiment in which we simply try to torture people back into line. Second, a death factory in which we simply mill people toward the injection room.

And once we are capable of considering the discussion in terms of vendetta and bloodlust, which is all those "waah! they have color TVs!" arguments really are, and accept that arguments such as yours are really nothing more than neurotic complexes—sure, you want to dish out all the brutality and cruelty that criminals "deserve", but since it's through the device of the state, we should also pretend that it isn't brutal cruelty because otherwise it might sound like you're one of the kind of people that should be cruelly brutalized by a penal system—then, yes, we can actually have a real discussion about crime and punishment.

Until then, your hogwash argument describes itself.

 

And to YOU I also say, HOGWASH!!! The REAL purpose of prison is not to give them a vacation with free food, clothing, medical care, etc. it's to remove them from society for the protection of society!!!

 

Rave on, Asguard, you don't even have your facts straight on EITHER of the two cases you're trying to talk about. :shrug:

 

Ah yes, the land of "justice" which must be code for racisium because the majority of murders are white males but the majority of those executed are black, strange that isn't it

 

No, the majority executed are actually White, about 58% vs 33% Black vs 9% Hispanic.

And it does have quite a bit to do with the actual States that still have the Death Penalty (predominately Southern States)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/21/death-penalty-us-map

 

So what your saying is that even in your own country the death penalty is rare, there by showing the initial post to be a load of drivil from word one

 

We supposedly save it for First Degree murder and then for only the extreme cases.

First Degree Murder is essentially a planned murder.

Murder that is accompanied by "special circumstances".

From Wiki

First-degree murder with special circumstances[13]

• for financial gain (1)
• the defendant had previously been convicted of first or second degree murder (2)
• multiple murders (3)
• committed using explosives (4) ; (6)
• to avoid arrest or aiding in escaping custody (5)
• the victim was an on-duty peace officer; federal law enforcement officer or agent; or firefighter (7) ; (8) ; (9)
• the victim was a witness to a crime and the murder was committed to prevent them from testifying (10)
• the victim was a prosecutor or assistant prosecutor; judge or former judge; elected or appointed official; juror; and the murder was in retaliation for the victim's official duties (11) ; (12) ; (13) ; (20)
• the murder was "especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity" (14)
• the murderer lay in wait for the victim (15)
• the victim was intentionally killed because of their race, religion, nationality, or sexual orientation. (a hate crime) (16)
• the murder was committed during the commissioning of robbery; kidnapping; rape; sodomy; performance of a lewd or lascivious act upon the person of a child under the age of 14 years; oral copulation; burglary; arson; train wrecking; mayhem; rape by instrument; carjacking; torture; poisoning (17)
• the murder was intentional and involved the infliction of torture (18)
• poisoning (19)
• the murder was committed by discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle (21)
• the defendant is an active member of a criminal street gang and was to further the activities of the gang (22)
• train wrecking which leads to a person's death.[14]

So yeah, killing 70+ people would make this list

 

They're still grossly over-represented. And that the death penalty exists in predominately South states is essentially an admission that racism plays a pretty big role.

 

You realize that 21 years is the maximum sentence in Norway, right? It's not as if they let this guy off easily; he got their harshest sentence.

Not saying he shouldn't do more (and he probably will, through technicalities), just pointing out that it's not like when we let OJ walk.

 

Most states have the death penalty

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty

The point is a maximum sentence of 21 years for murdering 77 people is ridiculous.

As to OJ, he walked because the jury found him not guilty.

No, blacks are actually under represented proportionate to the number of murders they commit.

http://www.the-american-interest.com/article.cfm?piece=901

 

So?

Blacks kill themselves at a FAR greater rate than do whites, so it makes sense they will fall under these regs more often, so no, it isn't an admission that racism plays any role.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98801183

And what is racist about the fact that Georgia has the Death Penalty and Maine doesn't, but that Georgia the Black population is 30%, pretty much the same as the stats, while Maine doesn't but is less than 2% Black?

 

20-ish years is the maximum sentence that anyone can get for anything in quite a number of countries. Turns out that indefinite imprisonment is rather controversial in many places, not unlike the death penalty.

You're free to hold that such amounts to injustice in this (or whatever) particular case, of course, but it would be nice if you'd do so with some visible cognizance of the history and reasoning that led to the current state of jurisprudence in the country in question. Then we could maybe have a useful discussion instead of the troll-fest that has resulted.

Or not. Obviously people here kind alike the troll-fests.

 

What determines if a sentence will be per victim or just grouped together? He wouldn't ever get out if he was tried for each death.

 

Umm, the suicide rate for white males is like 2.5 times the suicide rate for black males.

Did you mean to say something like "black people murder other black people at a FAR high rate than white people murder other white people?"

If so, the rates in question are: 94% of black murders are committed by other blacks, while 86% of white murders are committed by other whites. Which hardly seems to justify shouting "FAR."

Which would have to imply that you were thinking of a rate compared to the total black/white populations - which is to say that you're simply pointing to the higher overall crime rate amongst black populations. And if you can't see the connection between that and racism, well, that says more about you than about racism. And if you're simply refusing to see said connection, well, that goes double. Do you imagine that people are unaware that the "black on black crime" meme is nothing more than an ugly racist canard, systematically deployed by the right wing noise machine for craven political ends?

http://www.theroot.com/views/why-don-t-we-talk-about-white-white-crime?page=0,0
http://www.theroot.com/buzz/playing-violence-card-its-cynical-ploy
http://www.theroot.com/views/myth-black-black-violence?page=0,0

If you have to ask what's racist about the correlation between a state having the death penalty and a state having a long history of major racial problems, then you clearly don't want to know the answer.