04-25-12, 07:46 PM #101
04-25-12, 07:51 PM #102
04-25-12, 07:52 PM #103
04-25-12, 07:56 PM #104What cause of gravity conforms to the path of least resistance?
04-25-12, 08:00 PM #105
04-25-12, 08:26 PM #106
The last post in this repository thread offers a thought experiment example of the answer.
As for the straight line vector: Of course, but even from the perspective of semantics, which is easiest to describe; attraction or impact? Is Newton correct? Attraction is imparted by the Holy Spirit? Is LeSage correct with what amounts to a repulsive force? I have yet to find anyone who can describe mass attraction effectively other than quantum gravitational loops and that explanation is contrary to the straight line you propose. As for geodesics? Go fish! Geodesics only describe the effect, not the cause and both are required for a complete theory.
04-25-12, 08:31 PM #107
04-25-12, 08:32 PM #108
You have to know at least something about General Relativity.
Here read Relativity, The Special and General Theory, specifically chapters 19, 23, 27, and 32.
When you have at least some idea of what Einstein is saying, there can be a meaningful discussion.
04-25-12, 08:59 PM #109
General relativity, by that token, states only the effect. The effect "bending of space and time by massive objects" is not, and cannot be, the cause if for no other reasoning than it is the effect. Dark matter sucks. BOTH of you appear to be about that dense. Relativity is not a complete theory. A complete theory includes BOTH cause and effect. Stop sidestepping that missing component.
Alex, when YOU decide to stop hitting and waving your hands in an otherwise peaceful persons' faces as though you are 3 years old, we can have a meaningful discussion. I'm sure its tough suffering from OCPD, but you can be cured, or at least managed. If you just listen to your psychiatrist, you'll possibly get better and they'll eventually get your meds adjusted right and maybe let you go back into society. You might actually be able to understand science and earn a paycheck by other means than working as a mental patient on work therapy in a kitchen.
Most shrinks won't try Nietzsche philosophy, but if you were obsessively toilet trained, it has an affect on you that will stay with you for life UNLESS you develop your second nature. Practice the opposite toilet habits you were forced into likely at age 1. After only a few months of rejecting what your parent shoved upon you, you'll be able to see the other person's perspective with a bit more imagination, as opposed to delusions of grandeur. I've seen people who have come out of mental institutions where the condescending staff convinced them they were very good at artistry. Anyone else could see that their "good art" is only scribbles and usually the product of a dark, unhappy mind. Get help, dude or learn to help yourself.
04-25-12, 09:11 PM #110
04-25-12, 09:29 PM #111
04-25-12, 09:43 PM #112
Quantum fluctuations in the distribution of particles would lead to denser areas as the universe expanded, which would in turn accreate more matter.
All particles of matter, even 'primary particles' (whatever you mean by that) have inertial mass and bend space by their presense. (i.e. exhibit gravity).
As to where the particles originally come from, one theory is that when the inflaton field reached minimum at 10-33 seconds after the BB, the energy which had been contained in the field percipitated out as fermions and bosons.
04-25-12, 10:00 PM #113
I know that the attraction between small things (chemist talking now) is more due to electrostatic forces (way stronger then gravity but not as far acting) at this level but I have no idea how gravity or mass fits in. Charges attract atoms and molecules to one another and lock them together in different bonds (covelent, ionic, van der waals force, london dispersion forces, H-bonds, probably other more exotic stuff that I don't know about) and the strong nuclear force holds the nucleus together. Gravity doesn't have much to do with it at this level "as far as I know" .
If you don't believe me that these forces are stronger then gravity a simple experiment is in order. Tear a piece of paper up until you have pieces smaller then about a half inch. Now, rub a blown up balloon on your head (if you have no hair you will need someone elses head) and bring it close to the paper without touching it. It will pull the paper to the balloon. That is the electrostatic forces of one balloon (and one head) fighting and winning against the force of gravity for the entire earth.
04-25-12, 10:01 PM #114
By all particles of matter you are including neutrinos? Gravitons? Both are considered to have zero mass, save for speculation of morphose neutrinos.
As for BB, I think we shouldn't go that deeply into perspective tangents for now.
typo? You did mean precipitated?
04-25-12, 10:10 PM #115
04-25-12, 10:13 PM #116
04-25-12, 10:17 PM #117
Yes, I am familiar conceptually (sp hybredization orbitals and whatnot, usually demonstrated using carbon), but not mathmatically (I fucking hate Eigenvalues but I got an A in quantum anyway), which you would have to be to back up the claims you just made. Again, SHOW ME THE MATH!!!
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04-25-12, 10:32 PM #118
In the meantime, orbital theory (I have that saved in one of these machines... somewhere..), I find fascinating when viewed as the grand scale result of a lower level fractal.
I'm watching a little bit of Letterman with my other half then hitting the hay. It'll be interesting to see Alex' response on the vacuum fluctuation question. Let's see if drawing tablet time presents itself tomorrow.
04-25-12, 10:44 PM #119
Unfortunately, the concepts of which you are referring to are mathmatical concepts:
waveparticle geometry (math)
MO theory (math)
Without the math any picture you could draw or any paragraph you could write would be incomplete at best, and misleading at worst. The math is the only satisfactory explination for things you speak of. It is now time to put up or shut up, you need to put your math where your keyboard is.
04-25-12, 11:53 PM #120
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