Is it possible for something to come from nothing?

[steampunk]

Imagine that you are at point at the cosmos where there are no stars, galaxies or any light sources at all. Because there are no light sources that you can see, all you can see around you is the color black or total darkness.

So do you think it is possible for something to originate out of this infinite blackness of space?

Things don't originate. Things are. Even space is matter. Even blackness is matter. EVen vacuum is matter. Even nothing is matter. We sense only things that exist. All things we sense interact with us, so then we sense them. All things that interact with us require mass. Mass is matter. Matter is neither created nor destroyed.

When is the last time you sensed nothing? What is impossible? What is zero? They are mass. You have contacted them, and they have contacted you.

[Gravage]

Look up "inflation cosmology" and "ultimate free lunch".

Another unproven hypothesis.


Physics doesn't abandon a working theory without an explanation that better fits the evidence. So unless you can provide a better model, your incredulity is scientifically meaningless.



It is a logical contradiction for "absolute nothing" to exist within something, as the boundaries of the something define it in a finite way. Thus any nothing that may exist would necessarily be bounded by phenomena without itself necessarily being substantive.

Scientific models like this aren't getting any better at all than other scientific models, that's why there are so many scientific hypotheses and theories.

[Syne]

Look up "inflation cosmology" and "ultimate free lunch".

Another unproven hypothesis.

Another person who doesn't know how to use quotes on this forum.

Physics doesn't abandon a working theory without an explanation that better fits the evidence. So unless you can provide a better model, your incredulity is scientifically meaningless.

It is a logical contradiction for "absolute nothing" to exist within something, as the boundaries of the something define it in a finite way. Thus any nothing that may exist would necessarily be bounded by phenomena without itself necessarily being substantive.

Scientific models like this aren't getting any better at all than other scientific models, that's why there are so many scientific hypotheses and theories.

Inflation cosmology currently covers the most evidence in the most parsimonious way. All of the most credible models are merely variations on inflation.

[Gravage]

Another person who doesn't know how to use quotes on this forum.



Inflation cosmology currently covers the most evidence in the most parsimonious way. All of the most credible models are merely variations on inflation.

How does it cover when it's not proven, I wouldn't even call it a theory, it's really one of hypotheses.

[Syne]

How does it cover when it's not proven, I wouldn't even call it a theory, it's really one of hypotheses.

Educate yourself on what these words mean in a scientific context.

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.
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A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. -http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemis.../lawtheory.htm

What is workable is that which offers parsimonious explanation of phenomena. If it is workable it is without any significant evidence to refute it. You'll notice that even a theory or law cannot be considered to be "proven" in the sense of an absolute truth. Science deals in facts not truths. Even the current scientific laws may become obsolete.


"Covers" means that there are no more parsimonious explanations. Or do you propose to present one? I'm all ears.

[DaveC426913]

Things don't originate. Things are. Even space is matter. Even blackness is matter. EVen vacuum is matter. Even nothing is matter. We sense only things that exist. All things we sense interact with us, so then we sense them. All things that interact with us require mass. Mass is matter. Matter is neither created nor destroyed.

When is the last time you sensed nothing? What is impossible? What is zero? They are mass. You have contacted them, and they have contacted you.

You would do well to understand the terms you are using.

Matter: anything that occupies space and has rest mass.

Space is not matter.
"Blackness" is not matter.
Vacuum is not matter.
"Nothing" is not matter.
We interact with light, yet it is not matter.
Matter is created and destroyed all the time; it is converted to energy and back again routinely.

[Gravage]

Educate yourself on what these words mean in a scientific context.


What is workable is that which offers parsimonious explanation of phenomena. If it is workable it is without any significant evidence to refute it. You'll notice that even a theory or law cannot be considered to be "proven" in the sense of an absolute truth. Science deals in facts not truths. Even the current scientific laws may become obsolete.


"Covers" means that there are no more parsimonious explanations. Or do you propose to present one? I'm all ears.

Theory means proven hypothesis, however, there are always parts of theory that remain hypothetical. Regarding laws, yes it's true what you said, however they are proven on Earth and observable part of the universe, and that's enough for me, the invisible, unobservable part of the universe remains mysterious forever.

[TAMallick]

We have not ability to create anything, just we can change or invent. But only God has ability to create anything from zero.

[Syne]

Theory means proven hypothesis, however, there are always parts of theory that remain hypothetical. Regarding laws, yes it's true what you said, however they are proven on Earth and observable part of the universe, and that's enough for me, the invisible, unobservable part of the universe remains mysterious forever.

Damn, I even provided you with the definition and you still don't get it. Talk about thick. Try again.

[Tero]

We have not ability to create anything, just we can change or invent. But only God has ability to create anything from zero.

Let me guess: he exists outside time?

[DaveC426913]

Theory means proven hypothesis

No it doesn't; it means hypothesis with supporting evidence. In physical sciences, theories do not get proven.

[NMSquirrel]

missed alot of the conversation in this thread..

was the big bang addressed?

[Gravage]

Damn, I even provided you with the definition and you still don't get it. Talk about thick. Try again.

Oh, sorry, I didn't even see the link until now.

[river]

hmm okay we have nothing , lets start from here

now what happens ?

[NMSquirrel]

i have been told that regarding my thinking, that i can come up with something from nothing..
(don't ask what..i dunno)

[river]

i have been told that regarding my thinking, that i can come up with something from nothing..
(don't ask what..i dunno)

its not only that , but the idea , concept , that something , Universe , comes from nothing is absurd

why this kind of thinking is not long gone is , well , puzzuling

[spidergoat]

The universe has a total energy of zero, meaning that it could have come from nothing.

[river]

The universe has a total energy of zero, meaning that it could have come from nothing.

NO

it just means that it is balanced

[SciWriter]

What is the source of the basic forever stuff, which is the same exact stuff as of now?

[spidergoat]

NO

it just means that it is balanced

It does support the premise that it could have come from nothing just like the virtual particles that cause the Casimir Effect. Also uncaused. Don't forget the early universe was very small so quantum effects applied.