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    Free wifi is a fairly new commodity that'll take time to advance. If companies lose customers to competitors due to slow internet service, it'll improve.

    While I agree with Read_Only and Dave about your naivity... I don't care to support them. Any sort of trouble for these corporations is good in my book. Keep on complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTFOinNC View Post
    Ok, I gotta lend some support to Mz3Boy here, and maybe take Dave and Read-only to task a little bit, because you are neglecting one serious demographic... someone who out of necessity hits the "Free High-Speed Wireless Hotspot!" locations to get important work sent in, in a reasonable amount of time. I work for a RE company, take photos of properties that are often many miles away from my home or my office, and thus it is impossible for me to get back to for file uploading within the time limits I have. Yes, IT IS false advertising to call ANYTHING "High-Speed" if it takes a half hour, to, oh, upload two dozen 600x800 images to a remote cloud server. I don't think this is anywhere close to the broadband hogging that, say, uploading a video to Youtube is. Also, I'm no freeloader... I always buy something at any place that I use their wifi, BUT... I always hook up and start my business connection first, just to make sure it's even useable. Subway just lost a paying customer about an hour ago because of this. Places need to realize that they will have $$ walking out the door and not coming back (McD's, Dunkin Donuts, Subway, this means you!) if they CLAIM to have decent wi-fi and in fact don't.
    Except internet service is not their primary business...it's selling hamburgers and donuts. If you really need high speed internet on the road for business purposes, you should do what everyone else does...get broadband wireless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTFOinNC View Post
    I work for a RE company, take photos of properties that are often many miles away from my home or my office, and thus it is impossible for me to get back to for file uploading within the time limits I have. Yes, IT IS false advertising to call ANYTHING "High-Speed" if it takes a half hour, to, oh, upload two dozen 600x800 images to a remote cloud server.
    If your business depends on you having internet access, then get a 3G card. That way your work does not suffer if local businesses do not give you free stuff.

    Also keep in mind that many links are asymmetrical. They may have very high download rates while still having slow upload rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTFOinNC View Post
    Ok, I gotta lend some support to Mz3Boy here, and maybe take Dave and Read-only to task a little bit, because you are neglecting one serious demographic... someone who out of necessity hits the "Free High-Speed Wireless Hotspot!" locations to get important work sent in, in a reasonable amount of time. I work for a RE company, take photos of properties that are often many miles away from my home or my office, and thus it is impossible for me to get back to for file uploading within the time limits I have. Yes, IT IS false advertising to call ANYTHING "High-Speed" if it takes a half hour, to, oh, upload two dozen 600x800 images to a remote cloud server. I don't think this is anywhere close to the broadband hogging that, say, uploading a video to Youtube is. Also, I'm no freeloader... I always buy something at any place that I use their wifi, BUT... I always hook up and start my business connection first, just to make sure it's even useable. Subway just lost a paying customer about an hour ago because of this. Places need to realize that they will have $$ walking out the door and not coming back (McD's, Dunkin Donuts, Subway, this means you!) if they CLAIM to have decent wi-fi and in fact don't.
    This is not a complaint desk. This is a science forum! My God man, get a hold of yourself! Look what you've become! You're turning into one of the uneducated masses!

    This is horrible! Horrible, I tell you! Somebody help him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ3Boy84 View Post
    What about those (like me) who don't have internet at home?
    Get it.

    Or what about those who cannot afford it?
    Get a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ3Boy84 View Post
    So, in comparison to normal secured residential and business wifi connections which run incredibly faster than any of the above (with average upload speeds between 300-600Kbps), why even bother spending the money to supply a business with and advertise for "free wifi".
    Because people like me find it useful, and I have a slight preference for places with wifi access. It means I don't have to dig out my 3G modem.

    No one is obviously willing to sit in a McDonald's for 17+ hours for a video. So, why do companies even bother with hosting wifi services if the said services are not capable of doing even the most simplest multimedia tasks?
    Because they don't want people sitting there for hours uploading videos. They would rather discourage people like that.

    Shouldn't this be false advertising to some degree? I'd think so.
    Nope. They do in fact have internet access. Thus it is a true statement.

    If they advertise "free wifi! Guaranteed 1mbps upload speeds!" and they maxed out at 56kbps then it would indeed be false advertising.

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    I would gather low internet speeds is for light surfing while waiting for a meal with a netbook, pda or mobile phone, not so you can do all your office work using their connection or run a torrent program to download a pirated film.

    As people have mentioned the "capping" of speeds for free-wifi is clearly to limit the amount of abuse that could otherwise occur as well as distributes the bandwidth available over a set number of potential synchronous customers. (Namely if the places has 30 seats inside and 20 outside, you could suggest 50 customers sitting down, so a 2mb connection might have a 1/50 contention ratio. This is to make sure that all customers have a fair share of bandwidth and it's likely not balanced based upon current usage, after all it would mean an unfair share at non-peak times etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PTFOinNC View Post
    ...someone who out of necessity hits the "Free High-Speed Wireless Hotspot!" locations to get important work sent in, in a reasonable amount of time.
    Beggars should not be choosers. And they are not responsible for your needs.

    They offer something that they don't have to offer, and they offer it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ3Boy84 View Post
    So, for the past few days, I've tested various free wifi hotspots around my area.

    Here are my results:

    Starbucks* -
    Download Speed: 0.42Mbps
    Upload Speed: 0.28Mbps

    McDonalds* -
    Download Speed: 0.27Mbps
    Upload Speed: 0.05Mbps

    Panera Bread Co. -
    Download Speed - 0.92Mbps
    Upload Speed - 0.48Mbps

    * - I tested two different locations for these companies. The numbers presented are their averages.

    So, in comparison to normal secured residential and business wifi connections which run incredibly faster than any of the above (with average upload speeds between 300-600Kbps), why even bother spending the money to supply a business with and advertise for "free wifi".

    Something is better than nothing, right? Wrong. Something, in this case, equals nothing. Consider this:

    At McDonald's, where the internet is the slowest, it would take at least over 17 hours to upload a 754MB video to YouTube. Trust me, I've tried. No one is obviously willing to sit in a McDonald's for 17+ hours for a video. So, why do companies even bother with hosting wifi services if the said services are not capable of doing even the most simplest multimedia tasks?

    Shouldn't this be false advertising to some degree? I'd think so.
    Cuz it's free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZ3Boy84 View Post
    Haven't used dial up since the 2001.

    I think I just may have to fork over the money every month to get some sort of decent internet. I hate to pay for it, though. I personally believe internet access should be 100% free.
    100% free, so who should pay for it? What free electricity is going to power the routers, switches and internet hubs? datacenters? who is going to maintain these? who will fix cut fibers underground and maintain under sea cables? I'd rather just stay home on my couch for free than go fix a broken fiber optic cables a 100 miles away for free so you can have free internet.

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    How many places like McDonalds have a decent, on-staff technician to keep things running smoothly?

    Answer - none.

    They only even get a tech called in when there's a problem, and that's IF someone complains...

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    The OP should put himself in the place of a fastfood chain. They basicly have to have free wi-fi to compete, but they don't have to have a good connection. Why? because if word gets out that the internet is fast, there will be a bunch of hipsters taking up place from other costumers.
    Fast food is called like that because it is fast. Get in, let's eat, get out. Having people sitting there for hours is counterproductive.

    So stop complaining, eat your burger, drink your coffee and pay for your internet.

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    You have a valid complaint. Those here seem to just have low standards. We obviously know that we deserve high speed with our burger. We are entitlment cutlure. Only the best or us.

    These places you mentioned are notorious for slow speeds. They usually have to capability for high speeds, but they bottle neck it on purpose. Coroporate places are better to avoid. But, you must use corporate, try Kinkos. I think they have high speeds but it may cost by the hour.

    Have you tried some locally owned hipster coffee shops? They are usually your best bet. You are only held back by the number of people that are at the shop. Sometimes, even a Diner can have decent high-speed Internet access. Check libraries out, but you may run into some censorship problems based on the intelligence level of the community. In libraries, you may find some ethernet connections that are high speed to use. So check the walls for Ethernet. War drive commercial areas if you have a car. Sometimes if you close enough to a computer store they'll have a free wifi signal. If they have a password, you can usually go in and act like you want to buy something and say you need to access your email with your laptop and they'll give you the password. Get creative. People give passwords out all the time if you just saying something convincing. Go down town and sit in public areas and test for wifi signals. If you have a smart phone you can do this by war walking until you find the signals that are open. Eventually you find some high speed signals that you can use. Then again, work a day or two extra per month and you can get your own personal signal all to yourself or share it remember. You know how it's like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steampunk View Post

    Have you tried some locally owned hipster coffee shops? They are usually your best bet.
    The locally owned Irish pub in my neighborhood offers free unrestricted wi-fi. The other day, I saw a guy in a car, parked right in front of the door using his laptop at 10:00am, before they even opened!



    As you can see, there are parking places just a few feet away from the front...well in the range of the wireless router. It's the reason most places throttle their free wi-fi....to deter abuse from freeloaders. I am good friends with the owner, and I called him to let him know about the leacher. There's a tv mounted on the wall right behind the Heineken sign in the window. That's where they have the cable connection and modem. The owner is going to move the wireless router further away from the window, so you can't pick it up in the parking lot. Their internet package has a 100Gb monthly bandwidth limit....so if the leaches use up his monthly bandwidth...he get's stuck paying extra for the overage.
    Last edited by MacGyver1968; 05-11-12 at 11:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    Their internet package has a 100Gb monthly bandwidth limit....
    While I'm still on top of my soapbox......Why is it that most internet packages now days have some sort of monthly bandwidth limit? You can thank the handful of abusers that fucked it up for the rest of us. Back when internet services was truly "unlimited" and there were no bandwidth limits....some assholes would run multiple torrent downloads 24 hours a day, 7 days a week...using the absolute maximum amount of bandwidth their connection would give on a continuous, non-stop basis...making everyone else's connection slower. The ISP's had to do something...so they came up with bandwidth restrictions to stop this practice. A very small number of dickheads fucked it up for the millions of others that use the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    While I'm still on top of my soapbox......Why is it that most internet packages now days have some sort of monthly bandwidth limit? You can thank the handful of abusers that fucked it up for the rest of us. Back when internet services was truly "unlimited" and there were no bandwidth limits....some assholes would run multiple torrent downloads 24 hours a day, 7 days a week...using the absolute maximum amount of bandwidth their connection would give on a continuous, non-stop basis...making everyone else's connection slower. The ISP's had to do something...so they came up with bandwidth restrictions to stop this practice. A very small number of dickheads fucked it up for the millions of others that use the internet.
    I think this is tilting at windmills. A population given a resource, will - sooner or later - max out that resource. No one's being a dickhead, it's just the nature of things.

    Analogously, if a new city highway is built to ease traffic congestion, commuters will increasingly make use of it until it too is filled to capacity. (If it weren't at capacity, why would drivers eschew its use, in favour of more congested roads?)

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    As long as the monthly limit is big enough for an average user, what is the problem? 100GB is good for 3-4 movies a day at 700Mb-1Gb size, that should be plenty for average Joe....

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    yeah i have the cheapest internet plan and it sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Literphor View Post
    Any sort of trouble for these corporations is good in my book. Keep on complaining.
    This sounds like a generalized vendetta. That doesn't do anyone any good.

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