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    What would be the best way to make a lot of hydrogen?

    What would be the best way to make a lot of hydrogen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcarrot View Post
    How do you make a Hydrolysis machine?
    Just get enough energy to split the bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms which make up water. I've used sound, high end over 13,000 Mhz to split them apart and 120 volts of electricity hooked to a frequency generator.

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    Hi frequency sound is a reasonable method . . . needs more research . . . ultrasonics is a viable path . . (Ref. cosmic traveler's post #2)

    For simple electrolysis, one only needs to pass a direct current (if you want to separate hydrogen from oxygen), or an alternating current (if you want a mixed hydrogen-oxygen . . . Brown's Gas . . . mixture. Depending upon +/- polarity of electrodes (direct current) you will evolve 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen per water molecule (H2O) that is electrolized. Note that you will need to use relatively inert electrodes (platinum is best. stainless steel is O.K.) . . .otherwise you will chemically-oxidize the electrodes fairly quickly, and to enhance the electrolysis process, you may need to add KOH (or another water-soluble ionic conductor) to the water.

    If using stainless-steel electrodes, and you want to maximize the electrolysis process (i.e., hydrogen volume production) , I would consider fine-mesh stainless-steel screen in order to maximize the electrodes' exposed surface area. You can also maximize production by 'nesting' alternate screen electrodes in your water container.

    It only takes a few volts DC to initiate electrolysis . . but there are other 'tool's and configurations to enhance the electrolysis.
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    Kingcarrot:

    If you're planning on "powering at vehicle" with hydrogen (entirely feasible, IMO!), you will have to generate A LOT of hydrogen and have a (safe!) hydrogen storage system. There are many hydrogen so-called "fuel cell" devices - none of which are true 'fuel cells' - and scams available, but none of them generate more than a fraction of what is needed to actually power a vehicle solely on hydrogen. Right now, the status of hydrogen use as a 'direct' (i.e., electrolized) fuel is limited due to the small volume of hydrogen that can be reasonably generated relative to the total fuel requirements of an engine.

    . . . but . . . why not use your vehicle's alternator for some useful 'work', when it is otherwise just spinning . . .!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlminex View Post
    Kingcarrot:

    If you're planning on "powering at vehicle" with hydrogen (entirely feasible, IMO!), you will have to generate A LOT of hydrogen and have a (safe!) hydrogen storage system. There are many hydrogen so-called "fuel cell" devices - none of which are true 'fuel cells' - and scams available, but none of them generate more than a fraction of what is needed to actually power a vehicle solely on hydrogen. Right now, the status of hydrogen use as a 'direct' (i.e., electrolized) fuel is limited due to the small volume of hydrogen that can be reasonably generated relative to the total fuel requirements of an engine.

    . . . but . . . why not use your vehicle's alternator for some useful 'work', when it is otherwise just spinning . . .!
    Making hydrogen as you drive along is the best way to use hydrogen. You use what you make and thereby don't worry about high pressure cylinders to store it in.

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    Making hydrogen as you drive along is the best way to use hydrogen. You use what you make and thereby don't worry about high pressure cylinders to store it in.
    One has to be able to make enough hydrogen to power the engine . . .if one is powering with only hydrogen. Instead of presurizing, one could also devise a large-volume collapsible 'bladder-type' storage container . . . guess you'd have to mount it on the roof of the vehicle . . (risking another possible "Big Bang" (<--- humor here)??

    I've also 'toyed' with the idea of infusing (dissolving) hydrogen into existing petroleum fuels . . . but haven't gotten too far with this yet . . . . solubility issues . . probably would provide a partial-power boost at best . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Making hydrogen as you drive along is the best way to use hydrogen.
    If you had the energy to make hydrogen you wouldn't need to burn/react the hydrogen to get energy in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcarrot View Post
    What would be the best way to make a lot of hydrogen?
    Most energy efficient? High temperature dissociation of water.

    Cheapest? React steam and methane to get syngas, then a separate step to react the resulting carbon monoxide with water. You get hydrogen and CO2. Separate the hydrogen out and you're good to go.

    Simplest? Electrolysis. Get a low voltage high current supply and run it through water with some sulfuric acid in it. Collect the oxygen and hydrogen from the terminals.

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    Kingcarrot: If you're really "into" hydrogen fueling of vehicles, have a look at the link below. Many versions of this are available on line . . . look out for scams!

    NOTE/Warning: 'hydroxy booster' cells generate "Brown's Gas (equilibrium mix of hydrogen and oxygen) from electrolysis of water . . . Brown's Gas is explosive
    (H2 + O --> H2O) under some ignition conditions . . . . therefore, use of flash-suppressing devices (bubblers) in the flow system is necessary.


    http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Hydroxy%20Boosters.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcarrot View Post
    What would be the best way to make a lot of hydrogen?

    I would hydrolyze water in NaOH the important thing becomes on how to capture the Hydrogen gas and store it, I believe there are platinized sintered tubing which would be your cathode .

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    We watched as they poured Morton's salt into a container, mixed it with water and then exposed the fluid to the Kanzius radio frequency device.
    An intense flame erupted over the test tube.

    "In this case we weren't looking for energy," said John Kanzius. "We were looking for something that might do desalinization. And the more we tried desalinization, the more heat we produced until we got fire."

    Scientists at Penn State University believe the frequency used in the Kanzius machine is releasing atomic hydrogen molecules from the salt water by weakening the bonds holding the sodium chloride, oxygen and hydrogen together. That's why the flame is so incredibly hot.

    PSU research associate,Tania Slawecki said,"I think this is an excellent breakthrough. The steam engine wasn't invented because thermodynamics existed. The steam engine was invented and then thermodynamics came along. We've got lots more to discover about this invention, too."

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...GeLniUHlMK01Mg



    On June 27th, 2007, U.S. Patents 4,936,961 and 5,149,407 by the late Ohio inventor Stanley A. Meyer expired, and his technology for the Water Fuel Cell fell permanently into the public domain in the United States. As what many consider the most sophisticated approach to "Hydrogen-on-Demand" technology (running a vehicle or genset on water alone), the Water Fuel Cell ("WFC") may be the most practical free energy device to introduce on a widespread basis. While it is alone among waterfuel devices in being accompanied by a reasonable theoretical foundation as to why it works, it is also among the simplest and least expensive waterfuel systems to construct. For these and other reasons, on January 1st, 2007, a new nonprofit research & education foundation, the H2earth Institute was organized to explore waterfuel technology generally, and to re-launch the Meyer WFC in particular, once it became free of intellectual property rights issues, upon expiration of the patents.


    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...VB5QHtGgeApqHg
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