Wikipedia protest shutdown

[michael_taylor]

many of them were groups of content creators.

To indulge my morbid fascination with what distorted definition of content creator you'll be forced to adopt, could you say which ones?

The point is that it is broadly supported by content creators.

Not the ones I've met, worked with or been.

[adoucette]

To indulge my morbid fascination with what distorted definition of content creator you'll be forced to adopt, could you say which ones?

Allen Russell Photography
Alliance of Visual Artists (AVA)
American Association of Independent Music (A2IM)
American Photographic Artists
American Society of Media Photographers
American Society of Picture Professionals
Art Holeman Photography
Brian Stevenson Photography
Christopher Semmes Photography
Commercial Photographers International
Council of Fashion Designers of America
Country Music Association
Dan Sherwood Photography
Derek DiLuzio Photography
DeVaul Photography
Doriguzzi Photographic Artistry
Dolce & Gabbana USA, INC.
Don Grall Photography
Dunford Architectural Photography
Ed McDonald Photography
Englebert Photography
Eric Meola Studio Inc

Just through the Es

[michael_taylor]

buy any content they want to with almost no effort at all.

Which, if you'd read my post properly, you'd know wasn't the point.

It's ok to steal, that will teach them to make better quality stuff?

The argument was how paying for content could be encouraged. The answers are pragmatic measures that have the desired effect. If you want to retrodict ethical generalisations from that it's your affair.

And yet you didn't come up with one concrete way of doing anything to actually stopping piracy.

Because it isn't possible. There is no technological solution. It is mathematically impossible to produce content that can be watched but cannot be copied. You don't have to take my word for it, I've only worked in the industry for nine years, and only studied the subject for four. You can find out for yourself, find out what world renowned experts say about it.

It simply cannot be done. It doesn't matter how much profit there is in convincing distributors and their lawyers, it is impossible. And I don't mean difficult, I mean contrary to the fundamental nature of the universe.

The only option you have is persuading people, either by making your product as good as the pirated one, or by threatening them with force.

[michael_taylor]

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So by "content creator", you include "ngos and lobbyist organisations which oversee the guidelines used by companies who employ people who are content creators".

I see. That makes more sense now.

If only I'd known all along that when you said "artists" you meant "lawyers and lobbyists".


So you'd better repeat your mafiaa propaganda louder, because that makes it more true. Or go back and reinterpret what you said to try and making look less idiotic in light of the facts.

Toss a coin maybe.

[adoucette]

yes if they are willing to flaunt the law to make money, why should I care about THEIR feeling?

LOL, a little checking shows that DVD players are available (and have been for some time) in Australia that will play all regions.

http://www.shopbot.com.au/multi-regi...stralia/347211

[Asguard]

LOL, a little checking shows that DVD players are available (and have been for some time) in Australia that will play all regions.

http://www.shopbot.com.au/multi-regi...stralia/347211

DVD players yes (and only SOME of them), PlayStations, Xboxs and Blueray players no

[adoucette]

It simply cannot be done.

Sure it can.

It' not about copying, it's about getting paid for something.

Money has to be transferred and that can in fact be stopped.

[adoucette]

DVD players yes (and only SOME of them), PlayStations, Xboxs and Blueray players no

LOL

http://www.220-electronics.com/dvd/m...dvd_player.htm

[adoucette]

So by "content creator", you include "ngos and lobbyist organisations which oversee the guidelines used by companies who employ people who are content creators".

I see. That makes more sense now.

If only I'd known all along that when you said "artists" you meant "lawyers and lobbyists".

BS, none of those were publishers (I took out ASCAP).
Associations of artists count.
And lots of them were single people.
And I only went through the Es
Clearly a LOT of people disagree with you.
And they are content creators.

No one is so blind as someone who will not see.

[Asguard]

LOL

http://www.220-electronics.com/dvd/m...dvd_player.htm

You DO realise that if a site doesn't have .au on the end ITS NOT AN AUSTRALIAN WEBSITE don't.

[parmalee]

@ Arthur,

You've provided lists of companies which support SOPA, can you name any actual artists--as in musicians, filmmakers, engineers, et al?

I personally know a few thousand, mostly musicians but plenty of the other (and obviously, there's a lot of cross-over) and personally, I know maybe 3 or 4. And, like I said previously, they tend to vacillate on their positions.

And please, spare me a list that includes such, uh, "musicians" as "Dixie Chicks" and the like, whatever the fuck that is.

[gmilam]

I find it fascinating that a song writer gets paid forever for there work and yet the guy who invented CD players is probably getting nothing because EVERYONE can make CD players (same goes for movie studios and DVD players). Further more on DVDs specifically, ever herd of "free trade". I as a consumer have a right to buy an item at the lowest cost even if that means importing it from another country. Region locking of DVDs, Bluerays and Games inhibits this right. So basically, your going to fuck with my rights and try to charge me twice as much as I could get it from in say the US (LEGALLY, through somewhere like Amzon) then fuck you Im going to feel no guilt when I download it.

Interesting how many people feel they are entitled to get an artist's work for free. But yet, they still expect the artist to work. Amazing how little we value art in this day and age.

[Asguard]

Interesting how many people feel they are entitled to get an artist's work for free. But yet, they still expect the artist to work. Amazing how little we value art in this day and age.

Actually its the distributors that most people have a problem with, they are the ones in breach of the trade practices act, they are the ones in breach of the US Australian Free trade agreement, they are the ones in breach of every other free trade agreement that Australia has.

[adoucette]

You DO realise that if a site doesn't have .au on the end ITS NOT AN AUSTRALIAN WEBSITE don't.

Give it a rest

http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-b...full-hd-1080p/

[Asguard]

Give it a rest

http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-b...full-hd-1080p/

WOW you found ONE brand (which i have never herd of) which isn't in breach of the trade practices act. WHOOOOOOW, now find me a region free playstaion, wii and xbox

[parmalee]

To indulge my morbid fascination with what distorted definition of content creator you'll be forced to adopt, could you say which ones?

I already asked and, not surprisingly, got a very vague responses.

Not the ones I've met, worked with or been.

Ohhh, but he "cares" so much.

[adoucette]

@ Arthur,

You've provided lists of companies which support SOPA, can you name any actual artists--as in musicians, filmmakers, engineers, et al?

I personally know a few thousand, mostly musicians but plenty of the other (and obviously, there's a lot of cross-over) and personally, I know maybe 3 or 4. And, like I said previously, they tend to vacillate on their positions.

And please, spare me a list that includes such, uh, "musicians" as "Dixie Chicks" and the like, whatever the fuck that is.

What's wrong with companies?

Most content creators get paid by signing contracts with these companies.
So the company's motives and theirs coincide.

Why do associations of Artists not count?

If you will notice, in that list there are a lot of companies that represent the work of ONE artist, who in most cases would be the owner.

[parmalee]

What's wrong with companies?

Most content creators get paid by signing contracts with these companies.
So the company's motives and theirs coincide.

Actually, MOST content creators sign no such contract--where on earth are you getting your information?

C'mon now Arthur--You made the claim, now PROVE IT.

[parmalee]

Why do associations of Artists not count?

Because they are seldom, in fact, associations of artists--have you ever bothered to investigate?

[adoucette]

WOW you found ONE brand (which i have never herd of) which isn't in breach of the trade practices act. WHOOOOOOW, now find me a region free playstaion, wii and xbox

There are more

http://www.titanicimports.com/store/...-converter.htm


Do your own research, but the basis of your argument is full of holes.