Are We Going to War With Iran?

**Bowser** · 01-02-12, 02:49 AM

It seems like the propaganda machine is churning and sabers are rattling. Could they be preparing us for yet another war? I read online that Iran is backing down from its threat to block the Strait of Hormuz, but what if Obama goes ahead with his plan to implement more sanctions? What will the Iranians then do?

**cosmictraveler** · 01-02-12, 07:06 AM

TEHRAN, Iran • Talk of blocking the strategic oil route through the Strait of Hormuz is a discussion of the past, a commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Saturday in comments that seemed to back away from an earlier threat. But he said Iran had other, unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.

"Discourse about closing the Strait of Hormuz belongs to five years ago. Today's debate in the Islamic Republic of Iran contains new layers, and the time has not come to raise it," Gen. Masoud Jazayeri said in comments posted Saturday on the Guard's website, sepahnews.com.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/nationa...#ixzz1iJjxrqBf

So it seems again that our media has lied to everyone about this newest "problem" they have come up with to keep us occupied. I wonder why the media just can't get anything right any longer but just puts whatever lies and deciet out there for everyone to believe?

**GeoffP** · 01-02-12, 07:08 AM

The American public would freak out.

**Shadow1** · 01-02-12, 11:23 AM

You will find yourself at war against Iran, and not just Iran, one day, I insure you that.

keith1 · 01-02-12, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Shadow1

You will find yourself at war against Iran, and not just Iran, one day, I insure you that.

You can't insure anything. You hotheads have distracted yourself into oblivious drooling.

**Shadow1** · 01-02-12, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by keith1

You can't insure anything. You hotheads have distracted yourself into oblivious drooling.

I did not say, right now, or soon, I said one day for sure, and I didnt say who against who exactly, maybe not even USA, but the middle east is a hot area, where there is alot of tension.

**Bowser** · 01-02-12, 03:07 PM

Having talked online with a few Iranians, I get the impression that they are not very happy with their government, but they would defend their country with their lives if attacked. I kind of admire their passion.

**cosmictraveler** · 01-02-12, 06:12 PM

I think Iran really doesn't have a large enough navy to do much against the 7th fleet, do you?

In terms of major surface ships, Iran's three destroyers are over 50 years old and are kept in material reserve at Bushehr.[citation needed] The Iranian Navy does not include capital ships; their largest ships are five frigates and three corvettes, all of which are armed with modern anti-ship missiles. The main focus of the Iranian Navy seems to be developing new frigates, corvettes and medium to large fast boats capable of carrying modern precision anti-ship missiles.

Three of five frigates (Vosper Mark 5), however, were commissioned over 25 years ago and these ships have been updated with Chinese C-802 missiles.Iran's three corvettes were commissioned over 30 years ago; one (the Hamzeh) was originally a government yacht but has now been equipped with Chinese C-802 missiles as well, but it is deployed at Anzali on the Caspian Sea.[citation needed] These eight ships are supported by three Russian SSK Kilo attack submarines and Ghadir and Nahang class mini submarines. The Russian built Kilo submarines are considered among the quietest diesel submarines in the world.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...klExsdCiObgo1A

**pjdude1219** · 01-02-12, 11:26 PM

as much as Israel wants us to no we are not going to war with Iran

**Bowser** · 01-03-12, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

as much as Israel wants us to no we are not going to war with Iran

Good point. I doubt Obama would let it happen. If it were up to the Republicans, we would be there now. I'm wondering about the additional sanctions--where are we on that?

**wsionynw** · 01-03-12, 02:13 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Iran is a top 5 country when it comes to the size of it's Oil and Gas reserves. So the temptation is there for the West to invade if the opportunity presented itself.
Just saying.

**Bowser** · 01-03-12, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by wsionynw

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Iran is a top 5 country when it comes to the size of it's Oil and Gas reserves. So the temptation is there for the West to invade if the opportunity presented itself.
Just saying.

It would be to hard to manage. I think we would be fighting the Iranians to the bitter end.

**adoucette** · 01-03-12, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by wsionynw

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Iran is a top 5 country when it comes to the size of it's Oil and Gas reserves. So the temptation is there for the West to invade if the opportunity presented itself.
Just saying.

Why?
We've just left Iraq and they have as much oil as Iran does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

**spidergoat** · 01-03-12, 01:03 PM

Because oil makes it important strategically and economically. It gives them the power, for instance, to develop nuclear weapons.

**adoucette** · 01-03-12, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by spidergoat

Because oil makes it important strategically and economically. It gives them the power, for instance, to develop nuclear weapons.

But it's not FOR the oil, which is clearly what wsionynw was implying with "the temptation is there".

**steampunk** · 01-03-12, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by cosmictraveler

TEHRAN, Iran • Talk of blocking the strategic oil route through the Strait of Hormuz is a discussion of the past, a commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Saturday in comments that seemed to back away from an earlier threat. But he said Iran had other, unspecified strategies for reacting to any Western aggression.

"Discourse about closing the Strait of Hormuz belongs to five years ago. Today's debate in the Islamic Republic of Iran contains new layers, and the time has not come to raise it," Gen. Masoud Jazayeri said in comments posted Saturday on the Guard's website, sepahnews.com.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/nationa...#ixzz1iJjxrqBf

So it seems again that our media has lied to everyone about this newest "problem" they have come up with to keep us occupied. I wonder why the media just can't get anything right any longer but just puts whatever lies and deciet out there for everyone to believe?

I heard once that cia higher a propaganda journalist cheaper than an escort.

**steampunk** · 01-03-12, 10:17 PM

When the hunters of a tribe go out to hunt they are supposed to bring something back. I think Iran would bring horrible unnessecery loss to Americans. America does not have luxury for fruitless wars. They know we would drop nukes on them if they use it, so it would only be a defense. We have no worries. Hands off Iran. Lets trade with them. Take them in as business partners and get over this childish war tempertampering.

**pjdude1219** · 01-04-12, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by spidergoat

Because oil makes it important strategically and economically. It gives them the power, for instance, to develop nuclear weapons.

oh not this tired fucking bullshit again. fuck the cia and most other reputable intelligence sources say the Iranians aren't pursuing nukes.

**adoucette** · 01-04-12, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

oh not this tired fucking bullshit again. fuck the cia and most other reputable intelligence sources say the Iranians aren't pursuing nukes.

Who are your reputable sources?

France insisted yesterday that Iran is developing nuclear bombs and urged Europe to follow the US lead by slapping an embargo on its oil exports and freezing its central bank assets by next month.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran...ns-39-1.960848

Iran has pursued nuclear weapons for over three decades. Throughout some of the most tumultuous times in its history the basic reasons for this quest have remained unchanged. Iran seeks nuclear weapons to defeat regional adversaries, to deter global power intervention, and to cement its leadership position within the Middle East. No matter who rules in Tehran these rationales are unlikely to change.

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue2/jv6n2a2.html

The UN atomic agency plans to reveal intelligence this week suggesting Iran made computer models of a nuclear warhead and other previously undisclosed details on alleged secret work by Tehran on nuclear arms.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle29636.htm

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R40094.pdf

**quadraphonics** · 01-04-12, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bowser

It seems like the propaganda machine is churning and sabers are rattling.

That has been the case for over 3 decades now. Both sides labor under various incentives to strike hostile poses, so look to more concrete questions of interest, capability and strategy if you want to guage the likelihood of war.

Originally Posted by Bowser

Could they be preparing us for yet another war?

Who is "they?"

Originally Posted by Bowser

I read online that Iran is backing down from its threat to block the Strait of Hormuz,

Iran will never block the Strait of Hormuz, short of some kind of doomsday scenario where the regime is being overthrown, because to do so would harm Iran much more than anyone else.

Originally Posted by Bowser

but what if Obama goes ahead with his plan to implement more sanctions? What will the Iranians then do?

Same things they've done in response to the last umpteen rounds of sanctions?

Can you think of a single example wherein a country initiated a war in response to the imposition of sanctions?