Why are there so many seperate countries in the world?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by jaboo, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. jaboo Registered Senior Member

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    According to Wikipedia, there are 205 sovereign states in the world and even more are being created from time to time.

    Why is the reason really that there are so many seperate, by seperate I mean sovereign states in the world ranging from very big ones like Russia to very small ones like Singapore or Cyprus?
     
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  3. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    smallest would be the Vatican i would have thought and then East Timor
     
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  5. jaboo Registered Senior Member

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    True but you still did not answer my question. Why are people really so divided these days?

    I can see language being one reason, people not able to understand or communicate with each other and the other reason people not having access to computers or the Internet or Television and not really knowing what is going in the modern world.

    But what are the other reasons that people are so divided?
     
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  7. Twelve Registered Senior Member

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    I think that the main reason is the ambition of some regional politicians who wish for a higher status for themselves.

    The only way for them to be promoted is getting to gain independence and become "top" politicians in that new state.
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    maybe the world should take lessons from the sci community if they want to learn about getting along together
     
  9. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    ha!
     
  10. RichW9090 Evolutionist Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not sure that the world is more divided to day than it was in the past. Before the rise of the State, the highest level of organization was a chiefdom, and before that the tribe (see works by Elman R. Service). There were many more chiefdoms than nations, and many more tribes than chiefdoms - they each tended to be larger, including more people and more territory, than their developmental predessesor.

    250 countries is not many, when you consider the total human population of this planet, and the surface area that is occupied. It is amazing that there are so few, actually.

    Rich
     
  11. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    There is no particular reason other than some arbitrary divisions: it could have been one state governing all over the world or it could have been 1000 states instead of 200 plus, and we could have been asking the same question with different numbers. In terms of administrative efficiency, even 1000 states would be evaluated as insufficient for 7 billion people. But we are more sentimental apes rather than rational ones, so geography based linguistic traditionalist discourse -a.k.a. "culture"- can still create, legitimize and sustain bloody divisions among homo sapiens.
    Think this "too many sovereign states" issue as current stage of human social evolution. With our given historical background, the level of civilization, all in all our current capacity brought us to this situation. Yet unlike natural evolution, this one is directed and energized by our mentality. So there is no atomic or genetic excuse to normalize the current state of national divisions.
     
  12. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    In the nineteenth century and early twentieth century there were a lot fewer states, since strong powers (mostly European) dominated most of the world. Since WWII the world has changed so that small countries don't have to be worried about big neighbors taking over. One result is that people who feel different enough tend to separate, examples - Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia (unfortunately - not peacefully).
     
  13. steampunk Registered Senior Member

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    Geography plays a factor. Natural barriors such as mountains, water, desert, etc. What food is available can force people into concentrated areas.
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    It is because we are evil aggressive jumped-up monkeys.
     
  15. toltec Registered Senior Member

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    If there was only one country in the world and it got a Nazi government, who'd oppose it?
     
  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Because we have never figured out how to combine two communities into one larger one in such a way that the members of both feel that they have the same life they had when they were separate.

    Many communities have developed traditions, beliefs and principles that they feel are violated by being joined, under a single government, to another community with different traditions, beliefs and principles.

    Language alone can be a gigantic deal-breaker. The Walloons in Belgium can't see any good reason to learn Dutch and the Flemings will be damned before they'll start speaking French.

    Do I even need to point out that religion can be an even stronger force against unification?

    But those are just the big things. The little things can be just as hopeless--for the very good reason that if they happen to be your little things, then they just don't seem so little anymore.
     
  17. DragonSlay Registered Member

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    Unification of world is perfectionism.
     
  18. metadawn Registered Member

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    It is mostly greed, desire for power, and various other selfish motivators that are hardwired into our very nature in being human. Rationally and logically, there is no real reason to have nations, but seeing as how humans are irrational, greedy, and violent, the rational and logical response is to group yourself with people that you trust in order to protect yourself from those that you don't.

    Kind of sad really, but that's life, we just suck at communicating ideas with one another.
     
  19. metadawn Registered Member

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    Also, it's oppression from the people in power. They separate people and generalize those that are not in the same zone in order to dehumanize them and create some greater than thou cause for supremacy (though that sort of falls under greed and lust for power), so sorry if I'm being redundant.
     
  20. Jim S Registered Senior Member

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    There would have to be at least two countries - one for us normal people who break our hard boiled eggs on the big side, and another for those unspeakably degenerate heathens who break theirs on the small side.
    Maybe one more for people who haven't read Gulliver's Travels!
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    We, and some ancestral species before us, have spent a couple of million years using our enormous forebrain to override out instinctive behavior. We were originally grazers by instinct. But when we discovered how to make blades out of flint, it became advantageous to start eating meat. This extra protein allowed our brains to grow even bigger, and we began to override even more of our instincts. We overcame our pack-social instinct 12,000 years ago when we discovered agriculture. Suddenly larger communities were more productive so we invited the guys in the next valley to stop fighting and come live with us.

    Every subsequent Paradigm Shift after the Agricultural Revolution (the Dawn of Civilization, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, the Industrial Revolution and now the Electronic Revolution) both permitted and invited us to form ever-larger communities. This requires us to stop being cavemen, but we have done our best to live up to the challenge. Every now and then our Inner Caveman takes control and does something antisocial, but on the balance this new kind of herd-social society, in which we live in harmony and cooperation with total strangers whom we never even see, is working.

    The murder rate is something like one percent of what it was a mere 500 years ago. In each generation, wars kill fewer people. Robberies and assaults still occur, but so rarely that in most places they have no impact on the way we choose to live. The worst atrocities are committed by the people in political and economic power, but most of us find a way to ignore them and make the most of what we've got. And overthrow them occasionally.

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    The biggest risks to our health and safety are either natural (Alzheimer's is now one of the leading causes of death in America's aging population) or unforeseen second-order effects of our own making (road accidents are on that same list).

    Irrationality, greed and violence are not our biggest problems anymore.
    Considering that we are the only species to develop language (stay tuned on that, we're not so sure about those dolphin noises), what's amazing is that we can communicate abstract ideas at all!

    You seem to be a glass-is-half-empty kinda guy.

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  22. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    You couldn't resist, could you?
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    East Timor, with a little over one million inhabitants nowhere near being the second smallest country in the world. There are many that are much smaller in population. Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Liechstenstein, The Faroes, Gibraltar, St. Kitts and Nevis, Anguilla, Equatorial Guinea, Iceland, Bhutan, Luxembourg, Fiji, Malta all spring immediately to mind. And more besides.
     

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