01-27-12, 01:34 PM #41
01-27-12, 01:44 PM #42Originally Posted by Jan Ardena
You're given two idential apples, one is real, the other made of wax, how can you tell the difference?
Catholicism is the template. Does that make it true? Not for me. But the wax version can only be less true.
01-27-12, 02:33 PM #43
01-27-12, 05:06 PM #44
When you found an economic system, and then an entire country, on the principle that what a man takes from civilization need not correlate with what he gives back, you've got an economic system, and then an entire country, that is based on an absurdity. Only in the smallest communities do people regard each other as brothers and feel an instinctive desire to care for them. In a country the size of the modern nations all you end up with are various clans and cliques that slack off under the assumption that somebody else is doing all the work. As the Czechs told me when I was in their country in 1973, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."
This is bound to affect their entire social order and yield a philosophy that is rotten to the core. No good can come from a country that is founded on an idiotic slogan.
So don't blame atheism for the disasters of communism.
Blame the mythical figure of Jesus.
Besides, atheism was no more widespread in the Soviet bloc than it was anywhere else. Most of those people who were slacking off and leaving the work for others to do were good Christians, just like the ones in Germany who gassed the Jews.
In Russia, Bulgaria and Serbia they were (and still are) predominantly Orthodox. In Czechoslovakia, Poland and Romania they were (and still are) predominantly Catholic.
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01-27-12, 05:14 PM #45
The problem with the USSR wasn't necessarily the principles of communism, since Stalin did not abide by them. Communists themselves you will discover were the biggest critics of Stalinism (not of course openly, in the USSR). Stalin was a thug and a strongman ruler in a country that seems to respect that sort of thing. Religion was a competing ideology, since it contained it's own organizing principles for society. This couldn't be tolerated.
01-27-12, 06:09 PM #46
You're making the common error of regarding communism as an atheist philosophy. It is in fact an offshoot of Christianity
Atheism has no philosophy, it is simply the lack of certain types of philosophy(the supernatural ones). I am an Atheist, but my philosophy is largely Christian with a smidge of Humanism and Buddism for flavor.
But one of the greatest men I have ever met was Isaac Asimov, an Atheist. I picked him up at the train station(he would not fly)and took him and his daughter to a most memorial dinner and to his lecture at UT. That was over 40 years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. He wrote well over 400 science fiction and nonfiction books including a massive anotated commentary on the Bible. His moral philosophy is spread throughout his fiction, he even developed a moral system for robots. I would recomend any of his books, especially the Foundation trilogy for those wondering what a moral Atheist is all about.