This never made any sense to me

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  1. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    If virtual particles can come from nothing then why can't God?

    If some things like virtual particles can pop up from nothing then why can't God simply had come out of nothing and created the universe and everything we know?
     
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  3. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Because instant complexity isn't the same as instant simplicity.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If virtual particles can come from nothing why not a baseball?
     
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  7. ughaibu Registered Senior Member

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    Gods are fictional characters, they're imaginary, so you're free to imagine for them any beginning that takes your fancy.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The Heisenberg uncertainty principle applies to particles created "from nothing" due to quantum vacuum fluctuations. Basically, the more massive the particle, the shorter the time it can exist for before disappearing again.

    As for God, maybe he did appear for a microsecond or two and create the universe. Then he was gone. Or maybe not.
     
  9. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    God could be more explained by science if we could prove there is something tangible that connects everything. Then a Universal knowledge/All that is/God would make more sense.
     
  10. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Then we would call that "thing" by another name and God would still be left as the yet unexplained.

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  11. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Virtual particles disappear in an incredibly short period of time.

    God tends to persist longer.
     
  12. keith1 Guest

    Complexity takes up a lot of space. God wouldn't want to be a planck-sized pea-brain.
    The OP answers it's own unlikelihood. This system has to be too simple to be believed.
     
  13. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but God can be both complex and simple at the same time.

    They are not completely fictional. And I am a strong believer in Universalism btw.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism
     
  14. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    But then there are lots of virtual particles and any lost are immediately replaced.

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  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That implies that the universe is more complicated than it already appears to be. It violates the principle of parsimony (one facet of Occam's Razor): test the simplest solution first. Otherwise you could spend thousands of years trying to find the evidence, build the tools, assemble the test cases, and develop the methodology to test a more complicated solution, when the correct one may have been right under your nose all the time.
     
  16. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Well I disagree. What could be simpler than creating everything out of nothing?

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  17. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    I think you are now just making stuff up as you go along.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Try describing the process in more detail and you'll find out.

    For starters, you're postulating that one of the things or creatures that is part of "everything" already exists and then creates the rest of "everything."

    Whoops! Where did he/she/it come from??? This is the Fallacy of Recursion. The usual punishment for committing it is a wedgie.
     
  19. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    God may be a virtual particle, and nothing more.

    Or God is not particulate, merely virtual.

    Or God, time-Lord of Creation, traveling from an infinite future into an infinite past, while sowing the seeds of virtue also sowed virtuality. Doing so, God,on occasion, would-slash-will-have invariably collided with His work products moving forward in time, so that, on occasion, particles of reality do seem to manifest a certain createdness, though, in balance were neither created nor destroyed, for, as it was written: "In the Beginning, God will create the Heavens and the Earth." So none of this even virtually yet transpired.

    This is a Church to which I would most gratefully tithe. Please, now all bow heads in a moment of silent particle exchange. Amen.
     
  20. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    You got the Silence you wished for!
     
  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    God never came into being, He, imo merley gained conciousness of self.
     
  22. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Any particulate self that the virtual being gained consciousness of?
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, He must have wondered what is he, and are there others like him. Ansewers; everything & nothing, and no. Atleast for the time being there is nothing like God, not even Like God is truley like Him. Maybe, Michael is the most like God of any thing, but thats like saying the green elephant is the most like the one aligator in a room full of odly colored elephants.

    Bascialy what we are is a scienctific theory to test nature, and for God to understand what he truley is in relation to everything.
     

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