Emil talks about absolute reference frames.

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  1. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    prometheus,
    To show you that I do not trolling.
    What do you think, this is true for light?

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    Doppler effect.
     
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  3. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    You are trolling again, and treading on very thin ice - how is this relevant to the thread topic or your previous post?
     
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  5. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    You accuse me again of which I am very displeased.
    If you do not understand please ask before charges.
    Do you remember the sphere light of Motor Daddy?
    He tried to show that the light source does not remain centered in the sphere of light emitted if the light sourcey move.
    What proves this animation?

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    That there is an absolute reference system, in which light propagates and the light source has a relative speed, reported to this reference system.
    It also contradicts the Contradicts The Principle of Invariant Light Speed.

    Now the question is: this reference system from what is made? (I hope now you understand the connection.)
    Have you noticed that the link in the OP show that the "empty space" is not empty.
    So it is logical to conclude -Luminiferous aether?
    And your argument, because recent experimental results, "things that have been proven wrong for over a century", not acceptable.

    So before you accuse me of trolling, please just ask.
     
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  7. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    And if you still do not see the connection with OP, I post again the quote from the link and I highlight what is important in red (post No. 13)
     
  8. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Emil. I have moved your posts to Alternative theories. Make sure that you take note of this: I am not going to warn you again. The next off topic or trolling post in physics and maths will result in a 3 day holiday.
     
  9. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    It proves nothing of the sort. It only shows the propagation of light from one reference frame, one in which the source is moving. If you show the propagation of light from the reference frame of the source, the source remains at the center of the sphere. This is what the Principle of Invariant Light Speed means.

    In order to contradict the Invariance of light, you would have to produce a real life experiment that shows that, as measured by some one at rest with respect to the source, the source does not remain at the center of the light sphere. And to date, no such result has ever been found
     
  10. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    To be fair, I must add the original OP.



    The same unique physical phenomenon happens, regardless of where you look.
    For me this example is sufficient.
    If that's not enough for you, is your personal choice.
     
  11. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Your 'example' is an animation. You can make an animation do anything.
     
  12. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    The example comes from the wiki page talking about the Doppler effect for sound waves...
     
  13. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    You suggest somehow that the Doppler effect is only for sound?
     
  14. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    I would think that he's suggesting that light is invarient in all reference frames, while sound is not. They obey different laws and behave differently.
     
  15. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    I also quote my initial post, where it all started and that I had not planned to continue if not getting warning for "trolling / Meaningless Post Content"
     
  16. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    You affirm that there is no Doppler effect for light?
     
  17. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say that, did I? I said that light behaves differently than sound waves, because the speed of light is invarient, while sound is not. The Doppler effect for light manifests itself in a change of wavelength, not in a change in relative velocity.
     
  18. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Just like the sound, isn't it?
    Do you think that is changing the speed of sound?
    Focus on way and causes for which change the frequency.
     
  19. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    No Emil, it's not. Relative movement does cause the relative speed of a sound wave to change. Relative movement does not cause a change in the speed of light.
     
  20. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. Relative movement does cause the frequency of a sound wave to change.
    Right. Relative movement does cause a change in frequency of light.
     
  21. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say otherwise. I said relative movement causes the speed of the sound wave to change, while it does not cause the speed of light to change.

    It also causes the frequency of sound to change.
     
  22. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    The speed of the sound not change.
    Speed of sound:
    Right. Relative movement does cause a change in frequency of light.
     
  23. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    No, it is a physical fact of the universe.

    Your position, on the other hand, is one of "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts".

    If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality, be my quest, just don't insist that everyone else join you.
     

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