Will Palestine get the US kicked out of UNESCO?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Oct 30, 2011.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Today:

    Apparently its against US law to provide funds for any UN organisation that recognises Palestine as a member state. In which case, should the US remain a member of the UN if Palestine gets statehood?

    What do you think?
     
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  3. Workaholic Registered Senior Member

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    It looks pretty cut and dry. If UNESCO accepts Palestine then the US will have to leave UNESCO. Unless of course, the US ignores its own laws with hand waving arguments (no precedent here...

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    BTW. SAM what does the intials in your username stand for?
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but I'm unable to find out if the legislation is limited to the PLO or refers to Palestinians

    It seems then that Palestinians can keep getting membership in the UN agencies getting the US kicked out of each and every one of them, with the US finally out of the UN! OMG no more US veto! Is that possible!!!! :yay::thankyou:

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    Simulated Articulate Machine. What else?
     
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  7. Gustav Banned Banned

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    can you give me the lowdown on abstentions?
    for instance,in un resolutions.....Adopted by 121 votes to 1, with 4 abstentions

    what can be inferred?
     
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  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure, without a specific example. I generally consider abstentions to denote that representatives are unwilling or unable to take a stance for some reason, either political or financial [ie funding issues with particular lobbies]

    What I'm wondering is, if the US is "officially" on board with the two state solution, how can they have legislation banning funding of UN recognition of a Palestinian state since the 90s???
     
  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Nope
    We might quit them.

    But then the U.S. only recently rejoined UNESCO, after a more than two-decade-long U.S. absence.

    The United States rejoined the organization under G. W. Bush after the Sept. 11 attacks and since then about one-fifth of UNESCO's budget has come from the U.S.

    So who would be missing whom is the question?

    Oh, and since the US pays its share at the end of the year, if they accept Palestine then that would mean no payment for 2011, and a $70 million reduction in the budget.
     
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  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And they got it!!!!

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    Now we come to the fun part:

     
  11. Workaholic Registered Senior Member

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    Just another sad example where doing what's right for America is superseded by doing Israel's bidding. :shrug:
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well which way do they lose more? Piracy or Congressional lobby funding?
     
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  14. Workaholic Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I was orginally referring to America as in the American people...but as to which loses more money for US politicans I would go with the Congressional lobby funding (just a guess).
     
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  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The Pals are not going to get statehood this way. So much depends on Israel that a UN declaration wouldn't solve much.
     
  16. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    Every option seems to be a waste of time for the palestinaians it seems spidey. I guesss as mentioned a one state solution is the only way through!!
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And the Americans have DONE IT! :yay:

     
  18. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    I'm curious SAM, what makes you so happy about this?

    You don't like UNESCO either?
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Money is no problem - someone else will pay the difference. What this is, is a fantastic historic moment with the UN members showing big balls of steel after the way the US has been bullying people in the backroom and those 52 abstentions know it. What a historic moment for the people who believe in self determination!!! Good show UNESCO.

    The US is just making itself more and more irrelevant. They can use the money to improve the education of the American people. They need it
     
  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I was referring to irrelevance in UNESCO. Members who don't pay their dues lose the right to vote.

    Video of some votes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B-B61_g8QkQ


    Full vote tally:

    There were 14 “no” votes, 52 abstentions and 107 “yes” votes (there were also 21 Member States absent):

    No: Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Palau, Panama, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Sweden, United States of America, Vanuatu.

    Abstentions: Albania, Andorra, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cook Islands, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Fiji, Georgia, Haiti, Hungary, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kiribati, Latvia, Liberia, Mexico, Monaco, Montenegro, Nauru, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Switzerland, Thailand, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Zambia.

    Yes: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Sant Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Slovenia, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

    Absent: Antigua and Barbuda, Central African Republic, Comoros, Dominica, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Madagascar, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Confederated States of Micronesia, Mongolia, Niue, Sao Tome and Principe, Sierra Leone, South Sudan, Swaziland, Tajikistan, Timor-Leste, Turkmenistan.

    http://humanprovince.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/unesco-palestine/
     
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  22. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No you weren't.

    UNESCO is irrelevent to begin with.
     
  23. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    If we don't pay our UNESCO dues, UNESCO ceases to exist.
     

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