How do you know that it was Jesus who died on the cross?

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  1. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know that it was Jesus who died on the cross?


    How do you know that the witnesses back then saw right, especially since they supposedly stood at some distance?

    How do you know that the one on the cross was Jesus, and not someone looking similar to him?
     
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  3. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    Don't forget that we don't have accounts of actual witnesses. Everything in the NT is third or fourth hand at best.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    This makes no sense, thousands of people died on crosses, it was a common method of execution.
     
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  7. wlminex Banned Banned

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    RE: OP . . . . 'cause the Bible tells me so (music here)
     
  8. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Well it is Jesus so he easily could have slipped away.
     
  9. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    But then he wouldn't have died for our sins and fulfilled God's holy plan, making the whole thing a fraud and God a liar...
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    No. Making the church a liar.. again... and again.
     
  11. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    You tell us to hear what the lord hath said, then you deny the book that claims to be his message. So where are we supposed to hear what the lord hath said? Are we supposed to listen to you?

    I don't think so...
     
  12. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Applause. You sir win todays internets...

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    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  13. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to you can listen to me, I wouldn't force you. Who preaches the book? The church. The bible is not, and I repeat not God's message. God's message is safe with a woman. We are you suppose to hear what the LORD says? Does thee hath a ear?
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You would not be saying any of this without the Bible, so I don't know who you think you are fooling.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Why should we believe you?

    Yeah, right.
     
  16. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Himself.

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  17. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    You have no reason to, and you clearly don't. No skin off my nose.
     
  18. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    On topic!!
     
  19. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    naa..your supposed to listen to me..

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  20. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    the only response to the OP is 'I don't know'
     
  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    As I said, the bible is the book of good and evil.
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I see, like the novels of Thomas Harris.
     
  23. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    To believe that Jesus did not die on the cross is to disregard the witness of two thousand years of Christian testimony -- what G. K. Chesterton called "the democracy of the dead" -- that says that Jesus did die on the cross. Who is more likely to be right? All orthodox Christians over the past two thousand years or a few controversialists who started pushing the claim less than two hundred years ago?

    To believe that Jesus did not die on the cross also requires disproving the Gospels' status as historical documents, something that has never been done. The Gospels are unequivocal that Jesus did die, with John (an eyewitness) insisting that a Roman centurion thrust a spear into Jesus' side to make sure that he was dead (cf John 19:32-37.

    I recommend reading Who Moved the Stone? by Frank Morison. In the book the Anglican author, originally a skeptic of the Resurrection, takes apart the various theories that purport to disprove the Resurrection.
     

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