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    So i got to thinking about this a while ago. In theory you could have your brain removed from your head and put into a machine to control it. If you were to remove the brain and quickly and carefully put special wires ,which would be the nervous system, onto the brain with special clamps to control the robotic system. the only problem with it i have seen was the fact that you would not really be able to feel anything but you would be able to see if you hooked up a special camera connected to the right place in the connectivity places there would be 1 feeling.this is possible with now-a-day technology but the only other problem is that no one knows how to hook p wire onto the brain and keep it preserved at the same time without frying it.who knows, it may happen today, may never happen

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    You might enjoy reading Ann MacCaffrey's novel, 'The Ship Who Sang', the premise of which I have copied below from Wikipedia.

    Fictional Premise

    The Brain & Brawn Ship series is set in the future of our universe and in McCaffrey's Federated Sentient Planets. The parents of babies with severe physical disabilities but fully developed and exceptionally talented brains may allow them to become "shell people" rather than to be euthanised. Taking that option, physical growth is stunted, the body is encapsulated in a titanium life-support shell with capacity for computer connections, and the person is raised for "one of a number of curious professions. As such, their offspring would suffer no pain, live a comfortable existence in a metal shell for several centuries, performing unusual service for Central Worlds."[12]

    After medication and surgery, general education, and special training, shell children come of age with heavy debts which they must work off in order to become free agents. They are employed as the "brains" of spacecraft ("brainships"), hospitals, industrial plants, mining planets, and so on, even cities – in the books, primarily spaceships and cities.

    A brainship is able to operate independently but is usually employed in partnership with one "normal" person called a "brawn" who travels inside the ship much as a pilot would. A brawn is specially trained to be a companion and helper, the mobile half of such a partnership. The nickname is relative: the training is long and intense and the brawns must be brainy people in fact. Commonly the brain and brawn are paired at will and, for a fee, a brainship may terminate an assigned partnership.

    McCaffrey explained the origin of the brainship premise to SFFworld in a 2004 interview. "I remember reading a story about a woman searching for her son's brain, it had been used for an autopilot on an ore ship and she wanted to find it and give it surcease. And I thought what if severely disabled people were given a chance to become starships? So that's how The Ship Who Sang was born.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ship_Who_Sang

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    Be kind to yourself always. cosmictraveler's Avatar
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    So i got to thinking about this a while ago. In theory you could have your brain removed from your head and put into a machine to control it
    Why not just attach it to another persons body that had recently died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Why not just attach it to another persons body that had recently died?
    That would pose some very interesting moral and ethical questions of identity, would it not?

    Are we the body or are we the brain and to whom to the assets go?

    Have you read Robert Heinlein's 'I Shall Fear No Evil'?

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    Be kind to yourself always. cosmictraveler's Avatar
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    Have you read Robert Heinlein's 'I Shall Fear No Evil'?
    No but thanks for the suggestion.

    Are we the body or are we the brain and to whom to the assets go?
    Once the "other" person dies then their assets are given to their family. Their body then goes to the lab and gets used over again only with a new brain, yours. That way you are you but look like him/her, it would take some time for everyone to get over him/her being you. I only brought this up for the purpose of having a way to keep all of your sensations and be able to peditate around touching and feeling as well as seeing and thinking. Be a whole lot easier than having to be put in a jar with camera eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    No but thanks for the suggestion.



    Once the "other" person dies then their assets are given to their family. Their body then goes to the lab and gets used over again only with a new brain, yours. That way you are you but look like him/her, it would take some time for everyone to get over him/her being you. I only brought this up for the purpose of having a way to keep all of your sensations and be able to peditate around touching and feeling as well as seeing and thinking. Be a whole lot easier than having to be put in a jar with camera eyes.
    Heinlein's premise was that consciousness resided elsewhere than the body or brain.

    The brain of a wealthy old eccentric man was transplanted into the body of a youthful attractive assistant who was killed in a car crash, brain dead but body intact.

    After the surgery, there were two consciousness sharing the body.

    Makes for a rollicking good read and gets even weirder at the end when a close friend of both parties also dies.....

    Although it is science fiction, it explores some interesting stereotypes and beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Why not just attach it to another persons body that had recently died?
    it would not work,the body died for a reason,if there was heart failure due to death,then how would you make them live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tleit004 View Post
    it would not work,the body died for a reason,if there was heart failure due to death,then how would you make them live?
    You can place the body on a heart lung machine to keep the body warm and blood circulating. I'm thinking of where the brain dies and then the rest of the body is still in great condition. That way you could do the transplant easier by removing the diseased brain and substituting your brain. With todays medical technology you could also remove their face and put your face on them, say this would make an interesting book., Frankenstein comes to mind.

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    if we could do that then why hasn't anyone lived past 117 years of age.no one would have to die then if we could do that.

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    The main problem about taking a brain and just sticking into a machine is that it's not just a brain you'd have to carefully attach. The entire nerve system itself would require attaching if you wanted to maintain the integrity of the "individual" that the brain had belonged to and this would splicing some very delicate structures into an artificially constructed system.

    However say that, brain cells have been used in various cyborg experiments.
    http://www.reading.ac.uk/about/newsa...s/PR16530.aspx

    So hypothetically you could take a DNA sample of a person and recreate their neurons to work inside a machine, however it wouldn't be them, it would be something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tleit004 View Post
    if we could do that then why hasn't anyone lived past 117 years of age.no one would have to die then if we could do that.
    Well the person that dies is the one being used to place your brain into them. So yes someone dies in order for you to have another body to use. The technology to remove and replace a brain hasn't evolved to that point yet. There's way to many nerves to rejoin and other tissues as well. There's over a million nerves to try and rejoin and they are microscopic so trying to know which nerve goes where would be impossible with todays surgical techniques.

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    the nerves are replaced with wires.and there are people who are mapping were each nerve goes, so far from my knowladge they have completed almost a quarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tleit004 View Post
    the nerves are replaced with wires.and there are people who are mapping were each nerve goes, so far from my knowladge they have completed almost a quarter.
    This from your extensive knowledge?

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    Actually i learned in science class when we had to make little robots. we used special little USB inside peices for the brain(with the movement hooked in to walk forword and backword using sensors).then to make each peice move i used copper wiring plastic coveedd(.1 Cent). just like a human(almost).

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    Imagine trying to join a million wires together not knowing where any wires actually are supposed to attach to the other end. That's just not possible today.

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    i already said there mapping nerves.they could color code wires that slowly go through ll,then it shows the place on brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tleit004 View Post
    i already said there mapping nerves.they could color code wires that slowly go through ll,then it shows the place on brain.
    Neurography, which is described in tomorrow's Lancet, uses existing magnetic resonance imaging systems. Although images of bone, blood vessels, the lymphatic system and the central nervous system can be obtained easily, nerves have proved resistant to imaging largely because of their size and because they are surrounded by fat and muscle.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-1497108.html

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    Why not use your brain while it is in your head and use a device to control the machine just by using your head.

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    Regroup, rethink, pause : Brain dispensable!

    Hypothesis

    Complex inquiry : Disposition : Argument : Brain is a bio developed vehicle, voluntary occupied by the entity force, labeled and identified as a mind, the mind can chose its repository, be it a brain or any sustained alternate vehicle of its choosing.


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