epidural or no epidural?

[Lori_7]

that is the question. feel free to poll your partners for a response if you're a man.

i'm also interested in the gory details...

[Rhaedas]

My wife would probably like to add another option. "I had an epidural and sure wished it had taken everywhere."

That, plus the 36 hours of labor, and a Caesarian in the end, not a fun time. Second was better, cut to the chase, planned Caesarian.

[Asguard]

How is an epidural unnatural? Or more so than any other analgesic?

Its just basically a massive form of a local anasetic. When my mum had me they were new so dad was worried it would mean permanent paralysis (which it can if fucked up) but mum was fine. actually she went straight to sleep after the injection. Actually dad ended up having 2 epidurals himself when he had his hips replacements, they are quite routine now. The problems occurre when women say they don't want one then change there minds half way through. That's when they become dangerous because you have This be dead still so it just goes into the epiduras, if you move the needle can hit the cord. Your better off going with an opioid if you change you mind (from what I've been reading fentynal is probably the best as the baby doesn't need naloxone after that like it does with morphine)

[spidergoat]

Got a bun in the oven, Mrs. L?

[Lori_7]

How is an epidural unnatural? Or more so than any other analgesic?

Its just basically a massive form of a local anasetic. When my mum had me they were new so dad was worried it would mean permanent paralysis (which it can if fucked up) but mum was fine. actually she went straight to sleep after the injection. Actually dad ended up having 2 epidurals himself when he had his hips replacements, they are quite routine now. The problems occurre when women say they don't want one then change there minds half way through. That's when they become dangerous because you have This be dead still so it just goes into the epiduras, if you move the needle can hit the cord. Your better off going with an opioid if you change you mind (from what I've been reading fentynal is probably the best as the baby doesn't need naloxone after that like it does with morphine)

"natural" is what "they" call a delivery with no anesthetic.

i want to decide beforehand. most women i've talked to swear by an epidural and look at you like you've got 2 heads if you're thinking about delivering a la natural.

i don't really trust medical professionals to get it right though all that much. i'm going to have to google up some stats on how often they fuck it up.

[Lori_7]

Got a bun in the oven, Mrs. L?

yes sir. if it's a boy, we're gonna name him spidergoat.

[Rhaedas]

Find some stats on how many naturally delivering women would use some type of drug the next time around.

[Asguard]

"natural" is what "they" call a delivery with no anesthetic.

i want to decide beforehand. most women i've talked to swear by an epidural and look at you like you've got 2 heads if you're thinking about delivering a la natural.

i don't really trust medical professionals to get it right though all that much. i'm going to have to google up some stats on how often they fuck it up.

Its not just an either or choice though, as I said opioids are an option as well. Some have side effects to the baby like respitory depression and so narloxone is adminsted to the baby to counteract that but acording to my own resurch fentynal doesn't have these problems

Another option is NO (laughing gas) or penthrox (mefloxiflorine) which are sedating

Diazampram or medaz are other possibilities (not sure here) but medaz has one side effect you probably wont like. It causes amneasia and you probably want to remember the birth

[spidergoat]

yes sir. if it's a boy, we're gonna name him spidergoat.

Congratulations!

I recommend the drugs, you won't regret it.

[chimpkin]

Babies do not know the safe word yet.

I say go for the epidural, and if they have it, an upright birthing chair. The muscles relax, contractions occur, gravity helps, and the baby pops out.

[Anouk]

Hi Lori,

In the past 2 years I gave birth to two sons. There is only 13 months between them.
Both times I chose for a 100% natural delivery.
The first son took 14 hours, the second only 3. Both where heavy and painful...but that is what you have with every delivery...pain.
Despite the pain I was very happy to actually feel my sons being born. I even could hold my youngest sons head before he popped out. I think both things are beautiful and important during the process of becoming a parent.
Both of them were heavy babies (4.2 kg and 4.4 kg), but despite that I didn't had to be 'cut', didn't need assitance of a gyneacologist and there was no need for a needle :-)
Before I went into labour I told my midwife that I didn't want to have a cut or needle unless it would have been neccesary for any medical reason.
After all, an epidural shot is a drug that gets into your blood and will enter your baby anyhow and isn't without a risk for the mother too. Because the shot is given in your lower back it might influence the presure in your brains when put wrong. In some cases the pressure in your head drops, due to the shot, and you end up dead and your baby at risk.
So I think one should realy think twice before asking for a shot.
By the way, why do we need all these things anyway? Women are designed to give birth naturaly in the first place. Only when things go wrong we need assistence.
So my syggestion is that women give birth in the pressence of a midwife and in a hospital. But that all other players (gyneacologists,drugs,etc) stay outside unless it is medicaly neccesary.

[Asguard]

Hi Lori,

In the past 2 years I gave birth to two sons. There is only 13 months between them.
Both times I chose for a 100% natural delivery.
The first son took 14 hours, the second only 3. Both where heavy and painful...but that is what you have with every delivery...pain.
Despite the pain I was very happy to actually feel my sons being born. I even could hold my youngest sons head before he popped out. I think both things are beautiful and important during the process of becoming a parent.
Both of them were heavy babies (4.2 kg and 4.4 kg), but despite that I didn't had to be 'cut', didn't need assitance of a gyneacologist and there was no need for a needle :-)
Before I went into labour I told my midwife that I didn't want to have a cut or needle unless it would have been neccesary for any medical reason.
After all, an epidural shot is a drug that gets into your blood and will enter your baby anyhow and isn't without a risk for the mother too. Because the shot is given in your lower back it might influence the presure in your brains when put wrong. In some cases the pressure in your head drops, due to the shot, and you end up dead and your baby at risk.
So I think one should realy think twice before asking for a shot.
By the way, why do we need all these things anyway? Women are designed to give birth naturaly in the first place. Only when things go wrong we need assistence.
So my syggestion is that women give birth in the pressence of a midwife and in a hospital. But that all other players (gyneacologists,drugs,etc) stay outside unless it is medicaly neccesary.

WRONG!!!!

an epidural DOES NOT CROSS THE PLACENTA, hell it doesnt even get into the mothers blood stream. Its injected directly into the spinal cord

[Anouk]

relax dude...bad for your hearth :-)

[Asguard]

relax dude...bad for your hearth :-)

getting fired up is the only thing keeping me warm at moment, its like 4C here and the bloody heatters broken

[Anouk]

Make babies, it'll heat you up :-)

[cosmictraveler]

I get epidurals every 2 to 3 months for my back injury and they seem to help relieve the pain somewhat and leaves no side effects. But wait, you are talking about having it for birth , oh well , it is used for other things a well.

[Lori_7]

Find some stats on how many naturally delivering women would use some type of drug the next time around.

that's a good idea.

[Lori_7]

Its not just an either or choice though, as I said opioids are an option as well. Some have side effects to the baby like respitory depression and so narloxone is adminsted to the baby to counteract that but acording to my own resurch fentynal doesn't have these problems

Another option is NO (laughing gas) or penthrox (mefloxiflorine) which are sedating

Diazampram or medaz are other possibilities (not sure here) but medaz has one side effect you probably wont like. It causes amneasia and you probably want to remember the birth

my mom said she had something like that when she delivered me and she hated it. she would doze off in between contractions and then awaken in pain and disoriented. if i go with anything i think it'll be an epidural.

[Lori_7]

Congratulations!

I recommend the drugs, you won't regret it.

thanks! we're really excited.

[Lori_7]

Babies do not know the safe word yet.

I say go for the epidural, and if they have it, an upright birthing chair. The muscles relax, contractions occur, gravity helps, and the baby pops out.

sounds good. thanks chimp.