Expanding space vs. expanding concentrations

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  1. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    If you want to perceive and understand how the universe actually works, you have to forget almost all of the things that the existing theories claim to be facts. Initially forget about pulling force, expanding space and curved space completely. These concepts are not understandable by humans, and never will be. They are similar concepts as the gods. We do not need dark matter or dark energy to explain any phenomenon.

    According to The Big Bang theory, galactic clusters supposedly remain in the same area that supposedly expands while galactic clusters move further away from each other, move away from each other.

    At one time it was claimed that the Earth stays in one place, but it does not.

    Nowadays galactic clusters allegedly remain in one place, but they are persistent, and have never stayed.

    Concentrated energy within the visible universe forms an energy field which moves as a whole to a certain direction and moved to that direction even before our substance and the substance of our time was born.

    Light is generated from concentrated energy consisting of matter and the visible universe is moving concentrated energy formed by the energy field with the speed of light.

    The whole energy field moves as a whole in a fixed shape which doesn’t get altered in any way.

    Extremely small particles, even 1000 billion years old are encountered on occasion that seem to pass through concentrated energy formed by the energy of the universe through the field up to overnight. There is nothing strange if you are able to perceive the whole picture.

    These absorb all the time and energy into quarks and particles such as photons. Thus all of the visible energy concentrations expand three-dimensionally.

    Energy concentrations in visible universe forms an energy field that expands as a whole.

    It pushes all the time "new" pre-existing condition that has nothing at all. State which does not expand.

    All energy concentrations do not expand in the same proportion and that is why we see such an old light generally as redshifts.

    Photons are relatively small particles of concentrated energy and they move quite a long distance. Simultaneously substance, such as the solar system is totally in different circumstances and thus the difference can be noticed in relation to the old light.

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    In this context, energy means all concrete and tangible matter that exists. Nothing else exists. Only concentration (= in a space where there is endless and more dense matter) that are generated from energy can be called concentrated energy. The volume and the thickness of concentrated energy vary in an infinite empty space. The concentrated energy might have a charge or have none. The charge exists and it is preserved if the particle emits light in waves that are thick enough.
    You can read more about this from my website www.onsimpleprinciple.fi

    The energy is eternal.

    The matter is not eternal.

    There is only one and same matter which is divided into different particles concentration. This is what we call energy.

    The matter is generated from perpetual energy.

    In the matter there is different concentrated energy.

    There is more concentrated energy inside the quark than outside the quark.
    This energy moves towards quark in different and even smaller concentrations. As they move through the quark part of them loose their composition which get stuck on quark in the same way, from a group of fish some fish are caught in fishing net.

    Quarks are spherical particles that act like fishing nets.

    The center of concentrated energy that is moving through the quark, does not get stuck on quark, because (center) it is too small dense and solid.

    The part of concentrated energy that is cleaved on quark, increases the quark energy and will act as a part of network energy which works as a spherical fishing net. This is how energy is being fixated on quark continuously.

    The matter does not change into energy.

    The matter consists of concentrated energies that change into less dense energy. At the same time these energies are wirelessly charged of more electricity. As a result the quark expands.

    Atoms use all the time their energy, by charging it to themselves wirelessly and continuously.

    At the same time these expanding concentrated energies emit energy waves by which they control each other spaces and they keep pushing themselves away from each other as they expand.
    The external energy coming towards concentrated energy causes an external pressure which is why energy waves are released from concentrated energy. These waves create an external pressure in the concentrated energy that they come across and so on.




    According to entropy, energy of energy particles changes all the time.

    Same atom, different energy

    Same lake, different water

    After this, it is important to understand the motion of energy particles of the visible universe in a new and existing space and how fast this motion is. At once completely away from the space where the energy particles of the visible universe are and for the next moment completely away from the space we were and so on.

    In an existing new space which is empty, which does not change at all and does not expand nor bend.

    This motion which was not earlier understood is so fast that oncoming tiny particles flap through the visible universe in a moment. During their journey energy is released from them and is stuck on quark and other particles such as photons.

    Concentrated energies of the visible universe come from concentrated energy that exists outside the visible universe. This external concentrated energy contains more energy than what it is in the whole visible universe.

    This energy bursts and emits energy waves that are like galaxies. The more from its rear sides passes a pushing force towards us, the faster we encounter the oncoming energy and the faster everything expands.

    This allows us to explain the how and why of outwards expansion of concentrated energy of the universe in existing space. Additionally this explains also why the expansion is accelerated.

    For this reason we can develop scientific experiments by which we could prove theses allegations either to be true or false.

    The matter is formed from concentrated energy that moves in an existing space, in a certain direction before it generates any substance. The existence of a new matter begins when a new matter itself is generated. According to this our time (existence) is very slow as compared to the speed of the matter/energy of visible universe in a space that does not expand.


    Here is the link where I talk about scientific experiments by which these allegations can be proved.

    http://www.onesimpleprinciple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2510



    The small motion that comes out of concentrated energy is caused by a higher inner pressure. In other words, the energy explodes and becomes less dense. This energy cannot longer fit in a place that corresponds to its size. Therefore energy it is pushed away from the center of the concentrated energy in form of small concentrated energy.

    The speed and path of concentrated energies change only and only when concentrated energies become faster and less dense from one side than other.



    NB: Can anyone figure out why and how space expands? Or explain what the expanding space consists of?

    If you cannot describe why and how space expands or why space bends, how is it possible to develop scientific experiments by which this theory can be proved?

    Let’s think of airplane that moves at a speed three times higher than the speed of sound.

    The sound that moves in backward direction inside the airplane does not get closer to the place where the airplane is coming from.

    An airplane carries the air where this sound is moving three times faster than the sound is moving “inside” the air.

    Inside the airplane, the air forms an energy field that moves together with the airplane and it is faster than the sound that moves in backwards direction. This way the airplane carries sound faster in the forward direction than in backward direction

    In the same way in the visible universe, the energy field formed by concentrated energy carries light forward much faster. The light does not get closer the place where the field is coming from.

    This is not too difficult to understand, is it?

    If we think of the sound that moves along with the airplane, we understand that the sound is generated from concentrated energy that moves in an existing space in a certain direction.

    In the same way in the visible universe the light has always been produced from concentrated energy that moves and moved before the first light was produced in an existing space in a certain direction.

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  3. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Can your speculation be used to predict the observed redshifts of distant galaxies based on their positions and velocities? Classical doppler shift calculations don't give the correct results, General Relativity does.
     
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  5. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    It can also be done with entropy, which is even more fundamental than relativity.

    If we expand a gas, we will increase the entropy of the gas causing it to absorb energy. The gas will cool creating a red shift in the infared. If we compress the gas to lower entropy, we will get a blue shift as it heats up again.

    If we compared two references, with one moving faster, the faster reference will display time dilation. Say we had two factories both which produce widgets but make defects at the rate of one per hour. We will place one factory in the slow reference and one dactory in the fast reference. Since time is running slower in the faster reference, that factort's rate of defects will appear to be slower. This means lower entropy, compared the factory in the slow reference since the rate of entropy is directly relative to the clock in each reference; one per hour.

    Conventional red shift occurs upon expansion to slower reference, where the entropy is higher. Whether an expanding gas or expanding space-time the increase entropy will give a red shift. Entropy is where the energy difference (intial state to final state that defines the red shift) goes, so there is conservation of energy. Relativity breaks down with the expanding gas red shift, but entropy can go there as well as into the realm of relativity, since relativity is a special case of entropy; defines some of its additional degrees of freedom.
     
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  7. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    We can make science test with atoms. I say, atoms are densers who expanding all a time. I can told why and how atoms expanding!

    We cant make any science test for expanding space. you dont tell why and how space expanding!

    You just believe, there is expanding space!

    I say, expanding space is god who is not real!

    There is no expanding space at all!

    There is no gravity at all. I mean pulling force, you know. There is no pulling force at all! No curving space! No extra dimensions!

    Extra dimensions + pulling force / curving space + expanding space + dark matter + dark energy = Monster of Spaghet

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    Ps. All quarks expanding relativity same way all a time!

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  8. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Also photons are densers who expanding all a time!

    There is behind everything, lot of smaller and lot faster densers that photons. This very small and very fast densers are already moving faster and faster thouasands billions years in space who dont expanding at all.

    This very small and very fast densers moving also inside photons and phtons absorb more and more eternal thing from this very small and very fast densers!

    Thats why aol light it is redshifting!

    Also photons expanding and pushing themselfs far away almost same way what phtons expanding!

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  9. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    This entire thread is insane! At the moment, there are only two active posters - neither of which understand the most basic principles of physics. :bugeye:

    I respectfully suggest that all this trash be immediately tossed into the Cesspool and then locked.
     
  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    A gas expanding in an isolated vacuum neither absorbs nor emits energy. In any case, the pressure and density of the gas can affect the rate at which it absorbs and emits light, but not the amounts by which the absorption and emission spectra are redshifted or blueshifted.

    Well I say that you're wrong, and that if you tried to create a mathematical model to predict galactic redshifts based on your speculation, your predictions compared to results would be way off, no better than a random guess. So the best thing for you to do is try to construct such a mathematical model and then show us how it matches with the existing data, thereby forcing me to eat crow. As it stands, we already have a model which describes these things with extreme accuracy, and that model is General Relativity under the Big Bang scenario.
     
  11. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Jurkris is busy spamming this nonsense over different forums. He shows up with this garbage from time to time.
     
  12. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    That indeed seems to be the case. And because of that, he should be put out of our misery permanently. There's no excuse for allowing this sort of nonsense to continually show up here.
     
  13. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you expand a gas it will get colder. Get a can of spray paint and prove this to yourself. If you looked at this in the IR spectrum you will see a red shift in the IR as it cools. This red shift is connected to mass-entropy more that it is to the space-time effects of relativity.

    As a hypothetical experiment, say we had a tank of gas that was being expanded. At the same time this is occurring, say space-time was also expanding. Relativity alone would over estimate the red shift inferred velocity, since part of the total red shift would be connected to the mass-entropy aspect.

    The background microwave radiation of the universe is one logical place where both relativity and mass-entropy will make contributions to the red shift, with the total effect overestimated by using only relativity.

    In other posts I tried to show where relative reference using space-time can violate the energy balance since it ignores mass-energy. The background microwaves is one such place, with the energy balance needing to take into account mass-entropy.
     
  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Not if you expand the gas in a vacuum, it won't.

    You'll see more light in the red end of the spectrum as compared to the blue end as far as net intensity, but the actual specific wavelengths you get will be independent of the gas temperature.
     
  15. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you look at the formation of the universe, the initial stable materials of the universe are hydrogen and helium, both of which are expanding gases. Initially these hot gases are not even close to a vaccum. These need to entropy expand, from extreme density, to at least the density of galaxies, while space-time expands. Light that takes billions of years to reach us, has two effects working on it.

    An interesting blue and red shift "looking effect", is connected to seasonal changes on earth. The summer light is more blue shifted than the fall light is more red shifted. Neither is due to relativity. The northern hemisphere approaches the sun in the fall when the solar light is red shifted. Relativity will blue shift this. This is caused by other physical chemical effects which can play the red shift game.
     
  16. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Pure nonsense! Why don't you go back to your sandbox and leave the world of science to the adults?
     
  17. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Almost.

    Locked and then tossed in the Cesspool. Cessing it first is erroneous.
     
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