Being the experience of what is happening as opposed to having it

[nicholas1M7]

This understanding on a deep level simply means that one is no longer having the sensations as an 'I' or alien identity inhabiting the flesh and blood body -that lost, lonely, frightened entity in need of consolidation and validation by others- instead one becomes the experiencing of the 5 senses and no more or no less. Where grandiosity is the more and shame being the less, with neutrality as the steady-state emotional experience.

[Dywyddyr]

This understanding on a deep level

Understanding of what?

that lost, lonely, frightened entity in need of consolidation and validation by others

Consolidation? Consolation? And yet here you are telling us all about it...

instead one becomes the experiencing of the 5 senses and no more or no less.

Poor baby. The rest of us have more than five senses.

Where grandiosity is the more and shame being the less, with neutrality as the steady-state emotional experience.

Grandiosity is neutral?

[spidergoat]

This understanding on a deep level simply means that one is no longer having the sensations as an 'I' or alien identity inhabiting the flesh and blood body -that lost, lonely, frightened entity in need of consolidation and validation by others- instead one becomes the experiencing of the 5 senses and no more or no less. Where grandiosity is the more and shame being the less, with neutrality as the steady-state emotional experience.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[nicholas1M7]

Understanding of what?

The understanding that one mistakenly experiences oneself as a spirit through an accidental stint of evolution. Whereas, one is a flesh and blood body only. Thus one becomes more of the experiencing of what is happening as opposed to the having or possessing of it.

Consolidation? Consolation? And yet here you are telling us all about it...

Yes, because the internet is readily available to share enlightened words to a benighted humanity. I have no dependency on others that would prompt to undertake communication, I have no hope for civilization to advance, rather, as I am advanced then sharing this information with others is simply a pleasure.

Poor baby. The rest of us have more than five senses.

The last time I checked an anatomy book I saw 5 organs corresponding to 5 senses.

Grandiosity is neutral?

No. Grandiosity is believing/feeling oneself to be the "more", where shame is believing/feeling oneself to be the "less", and neutrality is the state of having nothing happen to provoke either believing/feeling oneself to be either. However, that does not mean one is no longer feeling as neutrality remains vigilant/defensive of the lows and hopeful of the highs.

[cosmictraveler]

The last time I checked an anatomy book I saw 5 organs corresponding to 5 senses.

There's more, I know of some people that have the bullshit sense, they really know how to use it well to deceive others and think themselves cunning.

[Dywyddyr]

The understanding that one mistakenly experiences oneself as a spirit through an accidental stint of evolution.

Ah, a guess. Who thinks they're a"spirit"?

Yes, because the internet is readily available to share enlightened words to a benighted humanity.

The last time I checked an anatomy book I saw 5 organs corresponding to 5 senses.

Check again:

The traditional five senses are sight, hearing, touch, smell and taste, a classification attributed to Aristotle.[2] Humans are considered to have at least five additional senses that include: nociception (pain); equilibrioception (balance); proprioception and kinaesthesia (joint motion and acceleration); sense of time; thermoception (temperature differences); and possibly an additional weak magnetoception (direction)[3], and six more if interoceptive senses (see other internal senses below) are also considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense

No. Grandiosity is believing/feeling oneself to be the "more", where shame is believing/feeling oneself to be the "less"

Neat! You get to redefine words too.

[wynn]

Soto Zen: "Chop wood, carry water."

Pseudo Zen: "'Chop wood, carry water' is so simple. You complicate things. You're not a good Zen student."

[Dywyddyr]

A novice was trying to fix a broken Lisp machine by turning the power off and on.
Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: "You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong."
Knight turned the machine off and on.
The machine worked.

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html

[spidergoat]

[glaucon]

This understanding on a deep level simply means that one is no longer having the sensations as an 'I' or alien identity inhabiting the flesh and blood body -that lost, lonely, frightened entity in need of consolidation and validation by others- instead one becomes the experiencing of the 5 senses and no more or no less. Where grandiosity is the more and shame being the less, with neutrality as the steady-state emotional experience.

nicholas,

What is your point here?

I mean, besides the illicit oratory..

[nicholas1M7]

nicholas,

What is your point here?

I mean, besides the illicit oratory..

I'm attempting to divulge the experience of being an apperceptive (being aware of one's own awareness) as opposed to imperceptive (blocked by being an 'I') flesh and blood body as such information is scarcely available on the internet as so few human being are apperceptive. This is for the sake of bringing a global peace on earth as only apperception can bring.

[Dywyddyr]

This is for the sake of bringing a global peace on earth as only apperception can bring.

Well stop it!
It's about time we had a decent global war, the last one was so long ago.

[nicholas1M7]

Well stop it!
It's about time we had a decent global war, the last one was so long ago.

It seems you take peace on earth let alone global peace on earth as a passing amusement, something to be bemused at. Perhaps I should be more clear as to how apperception is the only way to global peace? If I were to spread the word of an actual freedom, the direct seeing that matter is not merely passive, then the personal benefits would appeal to the many and the few would have successfully initiated an endemic for global peace.

[glaucon]

I'm attempting to divulge the experience of being an apperceptive (being aware of one's own awareness) as opposed to imperceptive (blocked by being an 'I') flesh and blood body as such information is scarcely available on the internet as so few human being are apperceptive. This is for the sake of bringing a global peace on earth as only apperception can bring.

The you should have mentioned that in your OP......

[Dywyddyr]

It seems you take peace on earth let alone global peace on earth as a passing amusement, something to be bemused at.

No, if I take it as a passing amusement then that should indicate that I consider it to be something to be amused by, not bemused "at".

Perhaps I should be more clear as to how apperception is the only way to global peace?

Yes please.

If I were to spread the word of an actual freedom, the direct seeing that matter is not merely passive, then the personal benefits would appeal to the many and the few would have successfully initiated an endemic for global peace.

Personal benefits? And these would be...?
An endemic? Hmm, please refer to a dictionary.
So, despite being aware that you should "be more clear as to how apperception is the only way (sic) to global peace" you're still just making claims based on nothing?
Interesting.

[nicholas1M7]

No, if I take it as a passing amusement then that should indicate that I consider it to be something to be amused by, not bemused "at".


Yes please.


Personal benefits? And these would be...?
An endemic? Hmm, please refer to a dictionary.
So, despite being aware that you should "be more clear as to how apperception is the only way (sic) to global peace" you're still just making claims based on nothing?
Interesting.

Let me correct my wording, I suppose you could say it will catch on as a pandemic not endemic.

[glaucon]

Perhaps I should be more clear as to how apperception is the only way to global peace?

Yes.
And while you're at it, please do some more research on the proper usage of the term "apperception".


IEP - apperception


For some reason, you're confusing it with some sort of Zen-ish notion of the loss of self...

[Dywyddyr]

Let me correct my wording, I suppose you could say it will catch on as a pandemic not endemic.

Okay.
And still no "explanation" or "clarification".

[chimpkin]

Once in a while you have one of those bleak epiphanies, a kind of dark satori, where you're fully aware of being alive and in the present moment, and it sucks.

Spidey, I think I shall follow that comic...I know exactly what he's talking about.

This understanding on a deep level simply means that one is no longer having the sensations as an 'I' or alien identity inhabiting the flesh and blood body -that lost, lonely, frightened entity in need of consolidation and validation by others- instead one becomes the experiencing of the 5 senses and no more or no less.

@ nick
Are you there yet?
If you are, do you really think talking about it is going to get other people there?
If you're not there, do you think these mental whackoff sessions will get you there?

[wynn]

I'm attempting to divulge the experience of being an apperceptive (being aware of one's own awareness) as opposed to imperceptive (blocked by being an 'I') flesh and blood body as such information is scarcely available on the internet as so few human being are apperceptive. This is for the sake of bringing a global peace on earth as only apperception can bring.

No shit - "such information is scarcely available on the internet"?
The internet is the absolute measure of how things really are?

I am sure that the mark of an advanced student of meditation is to spend oodles of time online!

Talk about virtual enlightenment.