04-06-11, 12:28 PM #1
can anyone tell me why everyone use the BMI.. its completely in 90% of the cases wrong yet people expecially idiotic trainers and healthcare tell you your obese.. or overweight.. 25%-29.9% = overweight.. 30% and above obese
also interesting that saturated fats actually are good for us for thousands of years before we had major farming and agriculture we ate 5-10x mroe than what doctors say is healthy,, back then there was much much lower heart disease.. in other words low fat diets dont help at all.. a study since 1948 the framingham study. actually found that the more saturated fat we eat.. the more cholestral we eat the lower persons serum cholestral.. in otherwords a high fat died does not mean your cholestral goes up.
i agree wtih this as my stepfather is proof of it
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04-06-11, 02:09 PM #2
supersise me guy gained 25 lbs..
took him 8 months to lose it..
the guy in fat head did it for 28 days lost weight and his BMI went down
04-06-11, 02:50 PM #3
also interesting that saturated fats actually are good for us for thousands of years before we had major farming and agriculture we ate 5-10x mroe than what doctors say is healthy,, back then there was much much lower heart disease..
in other words low fat diets dont help at all.. a study since 1948 the framingham study. actually found that the more saturated fat we eat.. the more cholestral we eat the lower persons serum cholestral.. in otherwords a high fat died does not mean your cholestral goes up.
04-06-11, 03:04 PM #4
BMI takes your heigh... and your weight.. im 510 weight 190 at one time adn was considered obese.. i had about 6% bodyfat and could bench 275 yet im obese according BMI.
a guy ate nothing but chese fryed in coconut oiil bacon steak port all that with 0 sugar and 0 starch..
hes chlorestrol went down.. and and good fats hpi or something went up as well as lost weight.
04-06-11, 03:06 PM #5
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04-06-11, 04:15 PM #7
As to your question about why people are fatter now with all this new fangled shit, it's simple: People worked a lot harder in years past. In the US, before WWI, most Americans worked on farms or in physical industries. It wasn't uncommon for a person to burn between 7k-10k calories per day. So, sitting and eating a 2500 calorie dinner was nothing big.
Before humans developed agriculture (which ushered in a carb based diet), humans ate mostly wild vegetables, fruit, nuts, berries and whatever game they could kill. Relatively speaking: that's about as healthy as you get. Because we had no quick access to carbs, in that they were extremely difficult to come by (sugars and starches), AND because sugar is the food of the brain, you developed a passionate desire for sweets and starches (like breads and cereals). It kept us motivated to eat what little sweetly tasting stuff we could find.
Once we developed agriculture, it didn't necessarily pile on the pounds because we were still toiling in the fields, burning away those carbs. But, with the advent of the industrial revolution--and more specifically the computer revolution--humans stopped doing all the healthy work (well, not "healthy" but, physical enough that it burned the calories) but never gave up the obsession with sweets and starches. We sit for all hours of the day, but still eat like we're hunting mastodons and plowing fields with oxen.
04-06-11, 04:50 PM #8
Also - the entirety of the NFL is "obese" according to their collective BMI, as are many karateka. This is due to the density of their bones and muscle. For most normal folks though, too much weight means a high BMI and that means you are too fat.
Glycemic index and glycemic load, a varied and balanced diet with lots of exercise will get you healthy quick enough. Going ketotic to lose weight is dangerous. Don't want to blow your kidneys away.
04-06-11, 04:58 PM #9
BMI is just a rough guide. Some people, including some doctors, take it too seriously. Especially as muscle is more dense than fat, so you can be more muscular but appear smaller than a chubbier person of equal weight.
The curves of the graph are in reality a little more blurred.
04-06-11, 05:10 PM #10
I think it's pretty clear when someone is well muscled or just plain too fat. Let's not introduce fuzziness where none exists.
04-06-11, 05:44 PM #11
Yes, clear differences to look at, but the body-mass ratio could be the same.
It's only a rough guide, but its safe to say if you are obese or super-skinny on the graph, you are obese or super-skinny in real life.
04-06-11, 09:16 PM #12
Also, people are getting heart disease more often today because people are actually living longer lives. Age is the prime risk factor for heart disease.
04-06-11, 09:33 PM #13
The BMI is known to be inaccurate for athletic people.
This is a bit better:
It's also a good idea to measure belly fat by measuring your waist. Belly fat is more dangerous to carry around.
Apropos of nothing in particular...
According to the cultural anthropology class I took...hunter/gatherers get an average(average, mind) of about 2500 calories...Mothers in said cultures usually can't successfully breastfeed more than one child, and the quality of their food is such that the mother's required to breastfeed for three years.
Add in infant mortality, and you get a population that rarely reproduces beyond replacement value.
Agriculture turned us into freaking rabbits, reproductively speaking...
Something else...periodic fasting-like you might do in a famine...seems to help lower diabetes and heart disease...and up until (well, in the US) post-depression, people may or may not have had consistently enough to eat.
When I was 6 my grandfather, who was 52, sat down in a chair and had a fatal heart attack. He was a full-time farmer.
His brother died of one also...at 86, while mucking out the cowbarn.
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04-07-11, 06:31 PM #16
Haha! Yeah, probably! They believed it was unhealthy to wash, for Gods' sake!
Whats more, I know a fella who still believes it! Well, he's got contact dermatitis now!
04-10-11, 07:29 PM #17
To put it another way, if someone tells you that you're too fat based on your BMI, just ask yourself "do I work out with weights 3-4 times per week and chug protein shakes between meals?" If the answer is "no," then, well...
04-11-11, 11:03 AM #18
So, BMI isn't perfect, but I think someone who is muscular knows they aren't fat, whereas most fat people are in denial.
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04-11-11, 04:52 PM #20
Don't sound fat to me, but then my BMI is over 30.
Protein shakes kinda suck as food IMHO, but weight training is good several times a week. The daily 10 mile run provides me a good base, as does lots of serious physical play with my 90 pound Labrador. The light bag is good for upper body, the headache bag for speed techniques and reaction time practice.
After my daily Taekwon Do patterns and warm - ups I find the katana (I usually practice with a wooden bokken in our home gym though), nanchaku, the bo staff and some time with the heavy gloves rounds it all out. I used to do both power lifting and power breaking - concrete pavers - to build up my bone density, but have restricted myself to re - breakable boards (the plastic ones that Bill 'superfoot' Wallace sells ) in the recent past as I work with my hands and that gets hard when they are too sore. I maintain sufficient skill to use the Iron Hand if needed though.
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