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    Valued Senior Member Jan Ardena's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    It isn't. Unless you have evidence otherwise?
    Nothing exists witout consciousness.

    jan.

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    Matter existed during the 10 billion years before life arose on Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    Enmos,

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    Go to a religious site.
    No. You made the claim here. Can you show me this proof you're talking about?

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    Valued Senior Member Jan Ardena's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmos View Post
    No. You made the claim here. Can you show me this proof you're talking about?
    I made the claim within a context.
    The religious sites are full with claim of god's existence.

    jan.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    I made the claim within a context.
    The religious sites are full with claim of god's existence.

    jan.
    The context:
    Quote Originally Posted by Socratic Spelunker
    I do agree though, that an atheist will likely be the one to prove God, just as it was a theist that popularized the Problem of Evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    God has already been proven, it's just that you don't accept it.
    I do not see how the context exonerates you from supporting your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmos View Post
    The context:
    I do not see how the context exonerates you from supporting your claim.
    If you go to religious sites, it will become clear.

    Remember I'm the one who made the claim, so I know what I mean.

    jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    Matter existed during the 10 billion years before life arose on Earth.
    What makes you think there was no conscious observer?

    jan

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    If you go to religious sites, it will become clear.
    You made the claim. That means that you have to substantiate it, instead of telling me to do all the work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    Remember I'm the one who made the claim, so I know what I mean.
    Yes, I do remember
    So how about you start supporting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmos View Post
    You made the claim. That means that you have to substantiate it, instead of telling me to do all the work.


    Yes, I do remember
    So how about you start supporting it?
    That is the claim, hence you wont accept it.
    Don't you get it?

    jan.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    What makes you think there was no conscious observer?

    jan
    What makes you think there was, or had to be?

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    That is the claim, hence you wont accept it.
    Don't you get it?

    jan.
    No, I don't get it. Why don't you explain it to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    What makes you think there was, or had to be?
    Nothing exists without consciousness?

    jan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enmos View Post
    No, I don't get it. Why don't you explain it to me?
    God reveals Himself through the Qur'an to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

    Do you agree?

    jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    Nothing exists without consciousness?
    jan
    That's the second time (at least) that you've said that.
    It's a supposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    That's the second time (at least) that you've said that.
    It's a supposition.
    How so?

    jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    How so?
    jan.
    It's quite simple: you no evidence to support it.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    Nothing exists without consciousness?

    jan
    This appears to be a statement of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    This appears to be a statement of faith.
    Why?

    jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Ardena View Post
    Why?
    jan.

    It's quite simple: you no evidence to support it.

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    Ditto. Put up or shut up.

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