02-16-11, 03:35 PM #1
Who would Jesus bomb?
A challenging question for Believers is determining if it is ever appropriate for governments to declare war. If Jesus is the Pattern for us all, when do we do as He suggested and turn the other cheek? Is violence ever an appropriate response for any person or country? In my opinion, following a peaceful approach does not mean we should ignore obvious dangers that threaten us. Each person needs to be protected in such a way that it is not in conflict with loving each other as He loves us. But how do we get from where we are today to everyone being our brothers' keeper?
When any government or person feels threatened, they typically react in fear and anger. Historically speaking, after the fighting stops, the USA does its best to rebuild what was destroyed. We pay the bills during the war, and later we help to rebuild schools, hospitals, and infrastructure. I’m in agreement to handle the process this way as things stand now, but this can also be improved. Imagine how difficult it would be for other countries to see the USA as the "bad guy" if instead of investing the same billions spent on the war in Iraq we put those funds toward humanitarian efforts in the Middle East and elsewhere? But how do we know such efforts would not be supporting a regime or people who would gladly take our money and still consider the USA as their enemy?
I think this question is answered much in the same way as the intention we should hold when tithing. If we truly offer what we will in a spirit of love and cooperation, we will not be harmed or disappointed by the results. Our intention will be felt and understood by the people, by the government and by the world as a whole if we give to others unconditionally. Getting everyone on the same page with that intention is a challenge, but that is a poor reason to not move in that direction.
Voluntarily raising money to aid other countries when we have so much humanitarian need at home is not as easy as raising money for war. Fear seems to be a much greater motivator than does love as is evident with over 20 times more of the USA's annual budget being spent towards defense over economic aid. How can we all agree to reach out to others in love rather than in doubt and fear? It takes a vastly different view of life than is common today. Clearly, we must all agree that we are our brother's keeper, but that we are “wise as serpents yet harmless as doves” as we offer our helping hand.
Remember back to 9/11 when our citizens raised great sums of money voluntarily for the victims in New York? The people did this because they saw the victims as "family," as people they felt responsible for aiding in their recovery. We can help the world to help itself by manifesting a generous, loving perspective and approach that affirms we are all God’s beloved children.
When we're eventually all living together as a patient, loving and cooperative family, there will be no one left to bomb. And that is my answer to the question posed in the title of this post. What's yours?
02-16-11, 04:52 PM #2
Jesus would bomb everyone who did not believe in him. According to scriptures, he'll do that in the future just like God did in the past. Peace is not possible like that.
02-16-11, 04:58 PM #3
I just readed your title, and i didnt have to read the rest=proganada
02-16-11, 05:00 PM #4
02-17-11, 03:02 PM #5
If someone "slaps you in the face," that is to say, if someone insults you, then you turn the other cheek so they can slap that one as well, with another insult.
However, I don't see how changing money in the Temple could have possibly threatened Jesus, unless he wasn't getting a fair cut, and even then only if he was threatened with bankruptcy by not getting a fair cut. Still, that isn't justification for his actions.
Only when you realize that your life will not be totally ruined because you don't have Orange-scented Chlorox brand Disposable Kitchen Wipes will you ever be able to move forward.
Originally Posted by jayleew
03-04-11, 12:20 PM #6
In a different world where we all loved each other, the question of violence would never arise. You have forgotten that in this world, we are evolving creatures. If nature is our guide then even in an all loving community, competition would still go on but perhaps not to the death.
In evolving, we only have two choices. Cooperate or compete.
In a fully cooperating world, all thinks would likely be controlled.
In a non fully cooperating world then it is our duty to react with whatever force is necessary or available to maintain our survival.
Many point to our use of the A bomb to disagree with the above but when asked how they would like living under Nazi or Japanese rule, they usually disappear on me.
Religions often have many rule suggestions where if all complied things would work but as you know, this is not the case in this real world.
Take the one man one woman rule that Christians use to discriminate without cause against Gays and all the hate that that has created over time.
It shows an ideal for heterosexuals but does not allow for gays to somehow find and live their true nature, supposedly given to them by God.
Christians are left with hatred in their hearts while wondering WTF God is doing creating all these Gay people for us to hate. Strange.
We are stuck, I am sorry to say, in a situation where competition will be with us for some years yet and in human terms. Competition leads to violence.
The only way out of this time loop for us, from what I can see, is when the world becomes one common instead of all the various groups and commons now competing for supremacy.
Your question calls for some deep thoughts and I do not see you finding too many deep thinking here unless it is from non believers. I am not a non believer but my God is not Bible God so I am rather strange from the get go.
03-04-11, 02:40 PM #7
03-04-11, 02:42 PM #8
03-04-11, 02:59 PM #9
Who would Jesus bomb?
Apparently everyone who doesn't vote for him after the second coming. Which sounds vaguely sexual especially since it is to be followed by the day of rapture.
03-04-11, 03:38 PM #10
03-04-11, 03:44 PM #11
you are asking if we were to come together in peace,show more patience and tolerance for those around us, would there still be hate?
it is in mans nature to hate that which does not line up with ones own beliefs,so even if we did have a perfect society there would still be hate, only the form/excuses would change..
if evil did not exist, man would create evil from what was left.
another example would be with tithing, the rule of thumb is 10%,
if everyone tithed, then it would turn into a competition and anyone who did not tithe generously would be considered bad..
IOW if what we considered 'bad' were to be deleted from humanity, humanity would find other things to call bad..
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