12-08-10, 03:21 PM #341
Che T-Shirt, could just go with the "I'm with stoopid" revolution instead (who's stoopid, is totally up to you to decide... we could point at the coldwar enthusiasts that fund all this spy crap in the first place.).
12-08-10, 03:21 PM #342
Imo Assange will be found guilty and get 30 years. I believe in freedom, free speech and democracy, and believe Assange has exposed the double-standards and hipocracy of the nameless faceless incompetents that allegedly do what they do in our name. If He can get hold of these cables, then you can be assured our enemies already had them a long time ago. Maybe the west, the US in particular will now have to conduct business honourably. If this is the net result, then I applaud Assagne.
12-08-10, 03:22 PM #343
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12-08-10, 03:41 PM #346
If the US political machine was not caught out in this way, it would have no incentive to reform. All we see is indignant embarrasmet, and rightly so. The US has embarrased itself. Time to start afresh and reap the rewards of honest dealing I think.
12-08-10, 03:45 PM #347
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12-08-10, 03:50 PM #350
In some respects this whole "Coup De Intelligence" (Feel free linguists to alter it.) is a bit like the start of the Berlin Wall coming down, if it keeps up the entire system is going to have to get use to a new wave of thinking.
12-08-10, 04:13 PM #351
12-09-10, 12:48 AM #352
Assange is not at fault for the information getting out. America is at fault for bad security.
He will get the support he needs from his home country. He has not done anything wrong and has broken no laws. The US's threats to change the law to charge him show how little the US values true democracy.
From two former Australian Prime Ministers:
Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd says the United States, not WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, is to blame for the release of secret diplomatic cables.
Mr Rudd says the 39-year-old Australian cannot be held personally responsible for the release of more than 250,000 documents.
He says the leaks raise questions about the adequacy of US security.
"Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network," said Mr Rudd, who has been criticised in one leaked cable as a "control freak".
"The Americans are responsible for that."
Mr Rudd appears to be in agreement with former prime minister John Howard, who earlier today said Mr Assange had not done anything wrong by publishing cables that contained "frank commentary".
"Any journalist will publish confidential information if he or she gets hold of it, subject only to compelling national security interests," Mr Howard said.
"The issue is whether any of this material and the publication of it will endanger people's lives or endanger individual countries.
"The bad people in this little exercise are the people who gave the information to him, because they're the people who breached the trust.
"They deserve to be chased and prosecuted."
He was not the spy. He was not the individual who stole the information from the US Government computers. He is like a journalist who publishes the information he receives. The actions of the US in attempting to charge him with espionage is a load of shite.
The US Justice Department has been preparing an indictment plan in the hope of charging the Townsville-born Mr Assange under the 1917 Espionage Act, branding his actions "the most serious violation of the Espionage Act in our history".
"It sure looks to me that Assange and WikiLeaks have violated the Espionage Act," the US Senate's homeland security committee chief Joe Lieberman said after Mr Assange's arrest in London.
Washington DC State Department spokesman Philip Crowley also said: "What WikiLeaks has done is a crime under US law."
This is why our AG made a mention that he should return to Australia as he would not be handed over to the US if they can't even show what laws he had broken. If he is extradited to Sweden, they may bow to US pressure to hand him over for them to then possibly change their laws to charge him. And the US dares to declare itself as leaders of the democratic and free world? Hysterically funny at best.
His charge of rape in Sweden also appears to be completely baseless. His arrest was wholly political and we all know it.
12-09-10, 01:22 AM #353
Nothing equivalent to Wikileaks existed before WikiLeaks or exists yet other than WikiLeaks.
I can't tell how hard the governments are trying to destroy WikiLeaks but if they really want to destroy WikiLeaks then they must not think WikiLeaks is easily replaceable.
12-09-10, 06:28 AM #354
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12-09-10, 07:11 AM #356
The governments should realise the simplest method to deal with the leaks, is just to increase the number of them be they true or false. Then it's up to the readers to try and disassimilate as to whether the Super-secret leaked data is real or not.
So output some portfolios on dealing with Martian Culture etc.
12-09-10, 08:10 AM #357
Funny enough Anonymous has a Botnet tool that any layperson can download to be apart of their attacks.
(This isn't a link to the tool, just an article on what the tool does)
The reason why it's "funny" is it's exactly the sort of tool that I "Consulted" about approximately 5-6 years ago in regards to attacks. Although this particular version is "primitive" compared to the the Hypothetical "Community Attack" tool.
12-09-10, 08:22 AM #358
I find some aspects of hacker culture unfortunate company in resisting information crackdowns, and supporting WikiLeaks. As some activists have turned to attacking government and corporate websites in retaliation for suppression of Wikileaks, I have doubts that hacktivists are contributing to the cause of information freedom.
I have doubts that infowar is productive in advancing greater accountability in our institutions. This is reminiscent of my bitter disappointment at Truthers muddying the waters in examination of 9/11/2001, and anarchists railing against corporate power. Governments have long used the fringes to stigmatize and stifle all dissent as whacko hooliganism.
The mainstream still has much to learn about the issues. Corrupt establishments are eager to shape perceptions of populations that are only beginning to seriously consider the meaning and implications of information freedom in a still-dawning information age. If the powers that be can convince majorities that the resistance is more volatile, reactionary, and self-absorbed than governments who have been caught out concealing their policies and actions, then transparency and accountability in our public and corporate institutions is not likely to be advanced by the present spectacles associated with WikiLeaks.
Hackers attacking WikiLeaks antagonists in cyberspace may not be striking blows for freedom, even if that is what they believe as they throw bricks through cyberspace windows. I am concerned that they may be fatefully distracting from and confusing the debate out in the deeper and wider network and battlefield of human awareness.
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12-09-10, 08:37 AM #359
Some time back I mentioned this, but what if people could "Naturalise" to the state of "Internet". Namely become an Internet Citizen, a denizen of the world wide web, DECLARE the Internet a "NATION". No governments as such but the potential for entire policy driven systems to emerge in this "Forum" (In this instance I don't mean Sciforums, I'm actually referring to the internet as a whole)
All this would require is the capacity to be seen as an Independent and Neutral State, who's people are obviously currently displaced for the absence of actual lands to live on.
Such independence would alter the methods that are required in dealing with Governments, as activities do not have to appear criminal.
12-09-10, 08:47 AM #360
Singularity, our consciousnesses are bound by flesh and blood, and all our physical imperatives. Notions of escaping this plane of existence through the internet are (how to say? gotta go take care of offline imperatives, no time to find the words) premature.
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