Rationality versus religion

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Kennyc

You've still pretty much sidestepped the issue. I see no answer here to what happened that converted you other than you think you have thoughts being placed in you head saying I Love You. and There is no Time. You once more say "what god has done to me" but you don't say what it is.

Not very objectively convincing, but it does fit right in with the mental illness theory of religion and or the "god lobe" of the brain theory. I believe that YOU believe, but I also feel you should seek professional help because you are hallucinating.

no, i'm not hallucinating. perhaps i'm in a coma right now, and have been since my early 20's, and this is all a dream? i don't know...are you reading this right now? i am really typing right? i don't know, i don't know...i'm so unsure of my experience.

this has been ongoing for a couple of decades now, and includes a very traumatic event that was ongoing, and began around 2005. what do you want to know that i can type here in a few minutes?

see...this is NOT how it works. i know that's how you guys want to INSIST that it works (or rather INSIST that it doesn't), but it doesn't work this way. this is how it actually works...

god interacts with me. it changes me. i interact with other people. and that's it. the bible calls that witnessing. now, some people think that means going door to door, but i see that as weird. if anyone asks me about my experiences with god, i tell them to the best of my ability. i'm honest about what god's done with me but i didn't do it, and i can't do that for anyone else. am i understanding you right? i understand that you want me to present my life experience to you in some form?

some form that you want to measure, so you can recreate it?

how do you suggest i do that?

**Kennyc** · 11-27-10, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by JuNie

Yes, but I've just been reading all these posts on multiple forums and it just goes on...and on, and on, and on. I don't understand how you all can withstand so much woo woo and not go clinically insane.

It all has to do with hope.

**Kennyc** · 11-27-10, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

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this has been ongoing for a couple of decades now, and includes a very traumatic event that was ongoing, and began around 2005. what do you want to know that i can type here in a few minutes?
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Once more you imply without providing anything concrete. Unless you are willing to discuss it, please don't even bring it up.

P.S. Serial Killers and Sociopaths and even those who see Blue Elephants often believe they aren't hallucinating either and that they are perfectly sane.

I'm wondering if you have discussed your issue with a licensed therapist?

**birch** · 11-27-10, 10:17 AM

if anyone asks me about my experiences with god, i tell them to the best of my ability.

you are doing a D grade job of it. when people ask you about your experiences, do you just repeat that you had one?

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Kennyc

Once more you imply without providing anything concrete. Unless you are willing to discuss it, please don't even bring it up.

P.S. Serial Killers and Sociopaths and even those who see Blue Elephants often believe they aren't hallucinating either and that they are perfectly sane.

I'm wondering if you have discussed your issue with a licensed therapist?

what do you want to know?

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by birch

you are doing a D grade job of it. when people ask you about your experiences, do you just repeat that you had one?

when people ask you about yours, do you just randomly pick one? lol...

what do you want to know specifically?

**birch** · 11-27-10, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

when people ask you about yours, do you just randomly pick one? lol...

what do you want to know specifically?

what an utterly disingenuous cop-out. clueless (sound familiar), i'm not making assertions so there would be no reason for them to ask. if i did, at least i would comply better than you. it's called being sane and in touch with reality. it's also something called common sense. ya know, when someone makes an assertion, it's on them to provide most of the info.

do you realize what is going on? who is asking who to take their religion seriously on this forum?!

it sure isn't atheists! then theists need to stfu about god and their religion unless it's to other theists. isn't that easy?

anyways, subjective experiences are not going to work to prove an objective being or entity called the christian god or the muslim god or whatever god.

**Kennyc** · 11-27-10, 01:35 PM

I agree, a total cop-out once more. Tell us your story Lori, the whole story, what happened, the specifics I want to understand your experience to know exactly and precisely what converted you. You keep bringing it up but you never give the details. This is the last time I'm asking. Either spill your guts or quit talking about it.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kennyc

I agree, a total cop-out once more. Tell us your story Lori, the whole story, what happened, the specifics I want to understand your experience to know exactly and precisely what converted you. You keep bringing it up but you never give the details. This is the last time I'm asking. Either spill your guts or quit talking about it.

i think it's a total cop-out to ask me to compile 20 years of experience into a post.

i'll start with one of the first. god encouraged me to forgive my dad for something, and when i did, i experienced what it was like, and understood that it was a correct thing to do. considering forgiveness is what jesus and the bible are all about, that made quite an impression on me that has lasted, and has changed me and my life.

there...have at it.

**birch** · 11-27-10, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

i think it's a total cop-out to ask me to compile 20 years of experience into a post.

i'll start with one of the first. god encouraged me to forgive my dad for something, and when i did, i experienced what it was like, and understood that it was a correct thing to do. considering forgiveness is what jesus and the bible are all about, that made quite an impression on me that has lasted, and has changed me and my life.

there...have at it.

you put your experience first and then what the bible says after. what does that have to do with christianity? nothing.

you are asking others to believe in a christian doctrine based on your own experiences.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by birch

you put your experience first and then what the bible says after. what does that have to do with christianity? nothing.

you are asking others to believe in a christian doctrine based on your own experiences.

no, i am saying that i believe the christian doctrine because of my own experiences.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 02:01 PM

hahahaaha...

what does god encouraging me to forgive my dad have to do with christianity?!?!

hahahahahaha...

that's some funny shit right thar!

**birch** · 11-27-10, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

no, i am saying that i believe the christian doctrine because of my own experiences.

fine. if only theists would just stop trying to convince atheists or trying to convert those of other faiths.

hahahaaha...

what does god encouraging me to forgive my dad have to do with christianity?!?!

hahahahahaha...

that's some funny shit right thar!

you are absolutely right! because christians are not the only ones who forgive.

now if you actually weren't crazy, you would get down to the nitty-gritty of what makes you a christian or why you choose to be a christian instead of a scientologist or a hindu.

dum

**Kennyc** · 11-27-10, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

i think it's a total cop-out to ask me to compile 20 years of experience into a post.

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Ah well. Not atypical. See ya.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by birch

fine. if only theists would just stop trying to convince atheists or trying to convert those of other faiths.

you are absolutely right! because christians are not the only ones who forgive.

now if you actually weren't crazy, you would get down to the nitty-gritty of what makes you a christian or why you choose to be a christian instead of a scientologist or a hindu.

dum

Birch, listen to what I'm saying. God encouraged me to forgive my dad. We had a conversation about it.

**birch** · 11-27-10, 08:34 PM

Birch, listen to what I'm saying. God encouraged me to forgive my dad. We had a conversation about it.

and you are sure it wasn't just your own spirit or your own mind.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by birch

and you are sure it wasn't just your own spirit or your own mind.

Yes.

**birch** · 11-27-10, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lori_7

Yes.

you are lucky, because if you told a psychiatrist that something spoke to you (other than god), you would be classified as nuts.

**Lori_7** · 11-27-10, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by birch

you are lucky, because if you told a psychiatrist that something spoke to you (other than god), you would be classified as nuts.

psychiatrists usually use diagnoses that are a bit more specific than that, and would not diagnose me with any illness, based upon that one bit of information about me.