Conservation of Energy?

[AlphaNumeric]

Wow, another idiot claimed he know how gravity is produced

I think its funny you call me an idiot when you've been exposed repeatedly for just making up nonsense in this thread. The fact you ignored all my questions, including the "How do you know aliens do that?" one, speaks volumes.

The fact you have a very narrow view of the universe and have no understanding of physics doesn't mean everyone else suffers from your short comings.

you cannot put in lots of energy to produce more gravitons. sorry to say that...

And you know this because.....? Did the aliens tell you?

[albertchong1999]

Matter is formed from strings and membranes which oscillate and ripple. When a ripple is strong enough it'll pinch off the string or membrane to form a closed string loop which just so happens to be the string theory model of the graviton, the force carrying particle for gravity. The presence of the strings and/or membranes provides a source of gravitons and when you put in lots of energy to the string or membrane then they throw off more gravitons.

I just amazed of how someone posting over 3300 posts in this forum still posting this kind of crap theory!! simply because you cannot put in lots of energy to produce more gravitons.

And.... replying to your silly question. How aliens manage to do that? The answer is simply we still don't have advancement in technology as compare to those little green man. We still have too many unknown science that need to be uncover in the future.

And... simply you are selfish and arrogant, the noble is "If you can make it, there is no reason why other can't make it as well." [Here I refer to those life exist outside our planet earth]

Unless... you have a better idea of how gravity is produced, I just ignore you this little arrogant man. So... if you don't have anymore idea on how gravity is produced, then you better don't come back here. This thread is open for those genius that is able to solve the mystery of the gravity sources in the future.

[AlphaNumeric]

I just amazed of how someone posting over 3300 posts in this forum still posting this kind of crap theory!!

How does my post count have anything to do with it? The amount of physics I know has no dependency on my post count here, perhaps you're revealing your own mind a little too much there. The sum of my physics knowledge is nothing to do with posting on forums. What I mentioned was string theory, which is something plenty of people take seriously as a model of quantum gravity.

simply because you cannot put in lots of energy to produce more gravitons.

Any acceleration through space-time causes graviton emissions, in the same way that accelerating charges emit photons. Its something GR talks about via gravitational waves and its something seen in string theory.

Besides, what are you basing your claims on? Do you have some knowledge of gravitons no one else does? I doubt it.

And.... replying to your silly question. How aliens manage to do that? The answer is simply we still don't have advancement in technology as compare to those little green man. We still have too many unknown science that need to be uncover in the future.

I don't deny there's still a lot we don't know. I question your implicit statement that you know something about what aliens have or haven't done. Do you believe we're in contact with 'those little green men' or are you just talking entirely hypothetically? If its the latter you have nothing to justify your specific claims and if its the former provide evidence.

And... simply you are selfish and arrogant, the noble is "If you can make it, there is no reason why other can't make it as well." [Here I refer to those life exist outside our planet earth]

I find it humorous you make claims about gravitons and what physics does or doesn't say yet you have no knowledge of physics and you have nothing to justify your claims yet you call me arrogant.

Yes, if someone has come up with some kind of graviton propulsion or whatever then I don't deny that in principle others could learn to build them. The issue I have is that you assert things about gravitons and yet you have absolutely no justification for those assertions. How do you know how gravitons behave? You have no experimental evidence, you have no knowledge of models, you have no grasp of any physics. I don't deny that some people know more about this stuff than me, I just have no reason to think you're one of them. I'm asking you to justify your assertions.

For instance, you assert you know how aliens use technology. How do you know? I'm asking you to justify your statements.

Unless... you have a better idea of how gravity is produced, I just ignore you this little arrogant man.

Looks like I touched a nerve. I've already mentioned to you the quantum gravity model string theory provides. You dismiss it out of hand and yet you embrace 'thats how the aliens do it' ?! It would seem you ignore anything which is vaguely rational.

... if you don't have anymore idea on how gravity is produced, then you better don't come back here.

Or what, you'll claim the aliens say I'm wrong again?

This thread is open for those genius that is able to solve the mystery of the gravity sources in the future.

I actually have published work in journals on the area of higher dimensional space-time structures and the interplay between gravity and gauge theories. You have no interest in an informed discussion, your assertions about 'thats how the aliens do it' make that very clear. Actually I'm not even sure if you think coherently, I certainly don't think you're capable of doing anything viable in physics.

[albertchong1999]

Any acceleration through space-time causes graviton emissions, in the same way that accelerating charges emit photons.

How graviton accelerate? What kind of input of energy? Your statement translate " Any acceleration (of vehicles or jetplanes or someone throwing a stone) through space-time (our space or sky) cause graviton emissions." Please make your statement clearer as this statement is faulty as it translate only accelerating object emit gravitons. A stationary object do emit graviton at the same rate as compare to moving objects.

[AlphaNumeric]

How graviton accelerate? What kind of input of energy? Your statement translate " Any acceleration (of vehicles or jetplanes or someone throwing a stone) through space-time (our space or sky) cause graviton emissions." Please make your statement clearer as this statement is faulty as it translate only accelerating object emit gravitons. A stationary object do emit graviton at the same rate as compare to moving objects.

In quantum field theory there is a difference between real particles and virtual ones. Any charged particle like an electron is surrounded by a 'haze' of photons, which mediate the electron interacting with other electrons. An electron at rest will have this haze but if you accelerate an electron (slamming it with photons) then it'll emit photons because of that acceleration. These photons are different, they are the things you can think of as going between say a light and your eyes, long distance effects. In each case the electron is producing and interacting with photons but the specifics are different. The same is true for any quantum field theory, including gravity (though we presently know very little about quantum gravity phenomena), an object with mass is surrounded by a haze of gravitons and its this is you can view, from the point of view of general relativity, as the curved space-time produced by the particle. If you accelerate the particle (say by slamming it with photons) it'll produce extra graviton emissions due to its acceleration, in the same way an electron does with photons. Qualitatively there's a lot of similarity in some effects in quantum gravity and effects in other quantum models.

A more well understood point of view is that of general relativity. Its 'easy' (easy enough to be covered by some undergraduate courses) to show that over and above the normal 'gravity well' an object makes due to its mass if the object undergoes small deformations (like squashing a tennis ball) or accelerated motion (like the Earth going around the Sun) then additional effects in the gravitational field will arise known as gravitational waves. Just as ripped in a pond take energy away from a swimmer or boat gravitational waves take energy from objects as they move (though the motion needs to be non-inertial). The Earth outputs about 1000 Joules of energy every single second due to its 'ripples' in space-time as it orbits the Earth. That's not very much, despite the huge size of the entire planet. The only way you can meaningfully measure them is if the ripples are caused by black hole or neutron star collisions, which give out the energy of an exploding sun in gravitational wave energy.

Now how about you answer my questions.

[albertchong1999]

If you accelerate the particle (say by slamming it with photons) it'll produce extra graviton emissions due to its acceleration, in the same way an electron does with photons.

Another same mistake as I mentioned earlier...sorry.

Next person please, with brilliant idea how gravity is produced?

[James R]

albertchong1999:

Another same mistake as I mentioned earlier...sorry.

Explain where the mistake is, exactly.

Next person please, with brilliant idea how gravity is produced?

No, you can't get away with dismissing everything AlphaNumeric said that easily.

Did you understand any of it? If you did, why are you avoiding discussion of the points raised?

If you are going to repeatedly assert the superiority of your knowledge over that of a trained physicist, you will back up your claims with appropriate evidence, or be dismissed as an intellectually dishonest troll.

I'll wait to see what you come up with before judging your behaviour further. It may be that official action becomes necessary to temper troll-like behaviour.

[AlphaNumeric]

Another same mistake as I mentioned earlier...sorry.

Next person please, with brilliant idea how gravity is produced?

I've explained why you are incorrect. Look up gravitational waves, you'll find that its a serious area of research in general relativity, including the construction of LIGO for $365 million. This is serious stuff, the fact you don't understand and don't want to understand doesn't make the rest of us stupid, it makes you close minded. You've left a message on my visitor page to open my mind yet you're telling me I'm certainly wrong with this, even though it has viable models and makes testable predictions.

You haven't justified anything you've said. You call my posts ridiculous but I'd rather be vitriolic and informed than just vitriolic. Can you answer any of my questions? I responded to yours, the fact you completely ignored mine means either you're inept or dishonest. Which one is it?

[albertchong1999]

I've explained why you are incorrect. Look up gravitational waves, you'll find that its a serious area of research in general relativity, including the construction of LIGO for $365 million. This is serious stuff, the fact you don't understand and don't want to understand doesn't make the rest of us stupid, it makes you close minded. You've left a message on my visitor page to open my mind yet you're telling me I'm certainly wrong with this, even though it has viable models and makes testable predictions.

You haven't justified anything you've said. You call my posts ridiculous but I'd rather be vitriolic and informed than just vitriolic. Can you answer any of my questions? I responded to yours, the fact you completely ignored mine means either you're inept or dishonest. Which one is it?

I had repeated twice that your particular statement is incorrect, but I don't say your other statement is incorrect as it is only a common science that many of us knows.
.....And I don't want to repeat it again and again.

[AlphaNumeric]

I had repeated twice that your particular statement is incorrect

What are you basing your claims on? I'm basing it on general relativity, quantum field theory and string theory. In this thread you say that SciForums should hire people with masters and PhDs in physics from recognised universities. I have those in mathematics and theoretical physics, I'm telling you things which are either taught or researched at recognised universities. You've failed to realise you are the one whose not supported by science.

And your continued inability to answer my questions, such as how you know what aliens know or can do, demonstrates your lack of honesty.

[albertchong1999]

Here you come again,I don't want to repeat it again the third time. sorry....

[Dywyddyr]

Here you come again,I don't want to repeat it again the third time. sorry....

Does that mean you're going to shut up and go away now?
Good.

[Dywyddyr]

I mean the statement of "Any acceleration through space-time causes graviton emissions, in the same way that accelerating charges emit photons." is FAULTY! Don't you agree with me? If don't, then I doubt about your level of understanding in science.

Yet you have, so far, failed to explain why you believe so, or to offer any alternative.
And your (displayed) understanding of science, as opposed to crackpot beliefs, is the reason why I don't take your comment about doubting my understanding of science seriously.
Your entire posting history in this forum has shown that your understanding of what you call science (and even how you apply that "understanding") is seriously flawed.

[albertchong1999]

Yet you have, so far, failed to explain why you believe so, or to offer any alternative.
And your (displayed) understanding of science, as opposed to crackpot beliefs, is the reason why I don't take your comment about doubting my understanding of science seriously.
Your entire posting history in this forum has shown that your understanding of what you call science (and even how you apply that "understanding") is seriously flawed.

I had already explained why this particular statement is faulty in my previous post, don't you read it why? A bunch of ignorant...

[Dywyddyr]

I had already explained why this particular statement is faulty in my previous post

That would be an incorrect statement. You explained nothing.
Making unsupported declarations is NOT an explanation.
Keep trying.

[AlphaNumeric]

I mean the statement of "Any acceleration through space-time causes graviton emissions, in the same way that accelerating charges emit photons." is FAULTY! Don't you agree with me? If don't, then I doubt about your level of understanding in science.

I've said several times now that what I said is what mainstream science says, quantum field theory, general relativity and string theory. And how do I know? Because I have one of those PhDs you suggested the moderators here should have. You can't simultaneously suggest that people like me should be moderators (or the moderators should have the same level of education in physics I have) and then turn round and call me ignorant and ignore me.

I don't think an argument from authority is a valid argument but given you tried to suggest the moderators didn't have the authority in science you think they should you are contradicting yourself.

[albertchong1999]

I also have a PhD but I have no intention to be a moderator in here. I would rather spend my time working in my lab.

[Dywyddyr]

I also have a PhD

In what subject? Evidence please.

but I have no intention to be a moderator in here.

Don't worry. I think the chances of the offer being made are very slim.

[albertchong1999]

If you have a "PhD" in theoretical physics that you had claimed, you should be able to know this mistake obviously, even a degree student in theoretical physics able to point it out that the statement of "Any acceleration through space-time causes graviton emissions." is faulty. Which of your "PhD" text book refer to and who is the author? I am quite interested about it...

Any theoretical physics degree course student here? Can you point out the mistake?

[AlphaNumeric]

I also have a PhD

Your ethos towards science says otherwise.

Which of your "PhD" text book refer to and who is the author? I am quite interested about it...

I've already told you the areas it arises, such things as gravitational waves. Any decent book on GR will discuss gravitational waves, such as GR by Wald or Advanced GR by Stewart. In string theory brane oscillations can be viewed in terms of strings held to the brane surface which then, when they get the right amount of energy and dynamics, pinch off into closed strings aka gravitons. The interplay between gravity and the gauge field living on the brane is one of the largest areas of string theory research, the AdS/CFT correspondence. Close strings being gravitons, their interactions with branes, their dualities with gauge fields and their role in anomaly cancellation are all covered in any decent string theory textbook. Polchinski, GSW, Schwarz & Becker, Johnson, all of them cover such things.

Accelerating objects emit gravitons the same way accelerating charges emit photons. This is in addition to the 'fuzz' of virtual particles around them which define their respective quantum fields. An electron is always surrounded by virtual photons and matter/antimatter pairs flittering in and out of existence. If you accelerate the electron it'll produce actual photons, not just virtual ones. Works the same way with gravitons, any object is surrounded by this haze of gravitons (in fact from a quantum gravity point of view space-time is a coherent structure of gravitons!) but under acceleration the object will emit actual real gravitons as well. This stuff is a serious area of research.

Any theoretical physics degree course student here? Can you point out the mistake?

Yes, the mistake is you didn't know when you shut your mouth.