Ahmadi community is officially detested

Ever wondered Why the Ahmadi community is officially detested in Pakistan?

From the BBC

Well, this tells me only one thing. All this hatred against the Ahmadi community for committing the Islamic Sin of having a New Last Prophet and a New Perfect Religious Book (which supposes that there's something fundamentally flawed in the Qur'an) is due to one thing: America. It's all Americans fault.

It's a little know fact that our CIA is secretly brain washing Muslims to think that Mohammad was the Last Prophet (as in the end - no more Prophets) and the Qur'an is a Perfect God-Book. See simple really. All America's fault. Damn Americans! If it weren't for Americans there'd be nor problem here. ALL America's fault. Life was so wonderful and flowed with milk and honey up until the Americans stuck their Allah damn noses in! Damn Us Americans!!

 

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You're doing it all wrong...


it's "Them damn Yankees!"

 

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True ... so true.

This part was telling:

One wonders what it is the Americans did to instill such vile hatred in the hearts of so many Muslims. Even in Indonesia Muslims have been known to kill Ahmadi. Wow, that CIA it sure has a far reach.

Damn Yanks....


If I were an irrational man, I'd start to think that maybe there's something fundamentally wrong with the basic tenants of Islam?

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Please don't kill me Mr. CIA Man! Please!!!!

Only One Perfect God
Only One Perfect Prophet
Only One Perfect Book

Yeah, I've been told that if say that 5 times a day for a lifetime all of a sudden you start to hear ....Kill Kill Kill Kill ... Kill the Infidel. Kill Kill Kill ....


Obviously a CIA plot.. no doubt.

 

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Sounds perfectly rational to me... who knows, maybe I'm just going insane. lol

 

Hmm. Interesting conception they seem to have of freedom of religion.

 

The Pakistanis should learn from Israel how to treat unwanted minorities. Build a reservation, forcibly transport them there and blockade all their rights.

Wait, thats the American model! Whatever, its the democratic way. When they are wiped out its easy to make some fake noises of regret

 

Off-topic again. You're admitting to Michael's point, then?

 

I'm saying they can do better. After all, Michael is both American and Australian, he understands that wiping out unwanted minorities is a necessary part of "civilisation"

 

Because everybody knows this understanding is passed on genetically...

 

We're a Republic not a Democracy!

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Civilization is simply building Cities. One could say Europeans Civilized much of the Arabian Peninsula - Indians seem to be doing a lot of Civilizing of Dubai but the looks of things.....

I'm more than happy to take a hard look at why Americans support war and see about trying to fix those things. You on the other hand can't do that with Islam. You MUST by definition believe there is ONLY One God, ONLY One Last Prophet and ONLY One True Perfect God-Book. So, it's not possible for Muslim's to easily change. Whereas Americans can do so. That's why 3 generations after slavery was ended we have a Black POTUS and Muslim Pakistan is still Slaving their own Citizens. Hence we've set foot on the moon, something like half a century ago, and most people in Pakistan are living in a hut made up mud and dung.

Is America Perfect? I say NO!!! ... and you see SAM, THAT sentiment my dear girl, is the secret to our success

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What exactly are you succeeding at?

 

Space travel.. Xenu and stuff. Internet. Electricity. You know. Everything really.

 

a few more excerpts regarding the Heretic:

Sad huh? That the CIA could do this to these poor poor peace loving open-minded and tolerant of people of ALL faiths ... the Pakistani Muslim people. Of course, as this Novel laureate was an Ahmadi - well, there can not be a monument to celebrate his achievement - ONLY true Muslims could ever receive such an accolade. No universities are ever going to be named after him. Hell, the word "Muslim" on his gravestone has been crossed off and erased. Even the town he is buried in has had to be renamed to erase all collective memory of this HERETIC.(donchya just love the ring in the word Heretic Kafir, Infidel.... ?) Wow, to think the CIA was at work back in the 1970s making sure Muslims were properly informed as to what a Heretic is and to make sure all these millions of Pakistani people choose to be biggoted arse-holes 30 years later!!! Such power does the USA wield.. .the Power of the Dark Side of the Force!!!
*Darth Vader like breathing*

Yes and we all know how evil people are who do not accept these three precepts:

There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


There is Only One True God
There is Only One True Last Prophet
There is Only One True Book

War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Heretic

 

The interesting thing is, I was talking about how teaching people these basic intolerant concepts (One God, Last Prophet, One True Book) like 3 or 4 years ago and how they naturally encourage a racist-like violent mentality. And over these 3 years we see if again and again and again.

Just because the USA is populated by 300 million Christian Europeans doesn't mean the underlying concepts are true or good, only that they can kill off and conquer some other people while maintaining them.

- Teach a person to be a WASP White Supremest bigot, don't be shocked when he is bigoted against a non-White person - even to the point of killing a person just because they are not white.
- Teach a person to be a Monotheist bigot, don't be shocked when he is bigoted against people who are not of his Faith - even to the point of killing a person just because they are not Muslim/Christian/Jew.

 

This is an issue of utilization. You can use science and have it 'naturally encourage' a lot of nonsense because humans have tendencies of doing things (nuclear bomb?)... People can use religion for good or for bad.. You can continue focusing on the negative aspect, which undeniably is there, but its there in everything.

Peace be unto you

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Yes, but...signing articles vilifying another faith as part of a passport process? What does this say to you?

 

Indicting Islam, and other notes

I happened to quote this the other day in a completely separate context, yet it springs to mind in recalling Orwell. Thirty-six years before the Ministry of Truth, Frater Perdurabo (Aleister Crowley) published The Book of Lies, Which is also Falsely Called BREAKS. The Wanderings or Falsifications of the One Thought of Frater Perdurabo, which Thought is itself Untrue. Liber CCCXXXIII (Book 333):

ΚΕΦΑΛΗ Ε
THE BATTLE OF THE ANTS

That is not which is.
The only Word is Silence.
The only Meaning of that Word is not.
Thoughts are false.
Fatherhood is unity disguised as duality.
Peace implies war.
Power implies war.
Harmony implies war.
Victory implies war.
Glory implies war.
Foundation implies war.
Alas! for the Kingdom wherein all these are at war.​

What such ideas as the Ministry of Truth fear most is the "Holy Illuminated Man Of God":

ΚΕΦΑΛΗ Μ
THE HIMOG

A red rose absorbs all colours but red; red is therefore the one colour that it is not.
This Law, Reason, Time, Space, all Limitation blinds us to Truth.
All that we know of Man, Nature, God, is just that which they are not; it is that which they throw off as repugnant.
The HIMOG is only visible in so far as He is imperfect.
Then are they all glorious who seem not to be glorious, as the HIMOG is All-glorious Within?
It may be so.
How then distinguish the inglorious and perfect HIMOG from the inglorious man of earth?
Distinguish not!
But thyself Ex-tinguish: HIMOG art thou, and HIMOG shalt thou be.​

Sufism, a sect of Islam that claims heritage predating Abraham, has been described as "the inner component of religion". Adilbai Karkhovli explained, "The conception that 'Sufism is the inner component of religion,' too, should be acceptable enough if it is seen from enough examples that religion is often mainly an accretion of superficialities around an ancient core which may be reclaimed ...."

Islam, like all religions, is susceptible to subordinating its essence to the tangible accretions and superficialities. This subordination actually interferes with comprehension of a vital idea: "The much-repeated theory ... that 'virtues' are not keys to heaven but essential steps which clear the way to higher understanding, is perhaps the most attractive of all [religious] statements."

Many critics would blast Islam today for its failures in this context, but the question remains: "Whence come these failures?" My own theory is not so much an inherent and original corruption in the revelation, but, rather, that it is a product of human social, economic, and political decline. At the height of Islam, societies created wonders. Since the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, at the very least, Muslims have lived somewhat removed from centers of power and empowerment.

In other debates concerning other subjects, it is sometimes asserted that a civilized, advanced people will behave as barbarians if that progress is erased and civility undermined. Americans who criticize Shari'a for its barbarity ought to remember that when we were less wealthy and less educated, we committed some grotesque atrocities against one another. Indeed, there is merit in pointing out that the last prosecution for witchcraft in the U.S., of Zsussana Budapest in 1975, was civilized compared to the Salem Witch Trials of 1692. And, indeed, nine years of appeal eventually saw her conviction overturned, and laws against fortune-telling struck from California codes. But somewhere between the seventeenth and twentieth centuries, we even hanged a cow for sorcery in the Kansas Territory, according to the late Lou Boyd. With the election of a black president spurring histrionic rumors of armed revolt in the United States, one wonders what it would take to return us to blood feuds, witch trials, or wives as the legal property of a husband. Indeed, it seems Biblical law did not require a woman's consent to marriage (Cheyne and Black).

The grotesque persecution of the Ahmadi is especially pronounced in Pakistan, a nation formed amid the hideous, genocidal turmoil of that dark day known as The Partition. Sixty-three years later, some vital questions of Partition remain unanswered. The per capita income in Pakistan (2009 PPP) is estimated between $2,538 and $2,661. Education is largely run by impoverished religious organizations scrabbling for political power. Internal security has long been sacrificed in favor of protecting the land against a fear of Indian invasion. Using a threshold of one dollar a day, nearly 24% of the Pakistani population is estimated to live below the poverty line; some thirty-five million of the nation's citizens are malnourished; the Global Hunger Index ranks Pakistan at 88 of 119 develping countries (ActionAid).

In light of all this, I would suggest that indicting Islam itself for Paksitan's sins is inappropriate. Rather, Pakistanis are humans, and behaving exactly as we might expect people to conduct themselves amid a seemingly permanent state of poverty and insecurity. If the faith has come to resemble the Ministry of Truth, one must ask why. And if the answer is the simple assertion of fundamental corruption inherent to Islam, we have chosen what seems the easy way out. But it is not, in the end, the easy way, as numerous wars and rumors of wars might attest. Peace and prosperity? The one results in large part from the other. No people will abandon superstition without enjoying the fruits of enlightenment, and those superstitions will, generally, become more stringent in the absence of succor.

Psychologically speaking, the accretions of religion are bricks in the wall of the psyche; they are ego defense mechanisms, armor plating against the wounds and anguish of human frailty and raw wounds thereof. Understanding the motivations driving such horrors does not require endorsement. Rather, it is a prerequisite to breaking the cycle.
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Notes:

Perdurabo, Fr. The Book of Lies. 1913. PuggryDuckling.com. June 19, 2010. http://www.puggryduckling.com/uncle_al/lies/index.html

Kharkovli, Adilbai. "Those Astonishing Sufis". Ed. Hafiz Jamal. From Sufi Thought and Action, assembled by Idries Shah. London: Octagon, 1990.

Cheyne, Thomas K. and John S. Black. "Marriage". Encyclopaedia Biblica. 1903. Wiksource.org. June 15, 2010. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Encyclopaedia_Biblica

Wikipedia. "List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita". June 15, 2010. Wikipedia.org. June 19, 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

ActionAid International. "Pakistan — Haunted by Hunger". (n.d.) ActionAid.org. June 19, 2010. http://www.actionaid.org/micrositeAssets/pakistan/assets/pakistan-haunted by hunger.doc

Google Cache HTML version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tan/assets/pakistan-haunted%20by%20hunger.doc ​

 

You can go further afield than Pakistan and see much the same thing. Morocco to Malaysia, it is much one.

 

The obvious question

If I offer the pretense that I don't know where you're going with that one, Geoff, it's because no matter how obvious some things seem to me, I'm frequently wrong. So rather than presuming that you mean what it seems quite obvious you mean, I figure it's wiser to just ask.

What, exactly, do you mean by that?

 

When a White Supremest KKK clansman raises his child to detest Blacks and Arabs and Jews. And this Child grows up and hates Blacks and Arabs and Jews. And then one day he kills them. THAT to you is an issue of utilization?


No it's not. It's an issue of Racial Supremacy and how this sort of mentality encourages bigotry. For violent people, being bigoted gives them a justifiable target for their natural aggression. Worse still, even otherwise peaceful people, when taught a lifetime of bigotry, can act just as evil.


Muslims are taught Religious Supremacy. This sort of mentality encourages bigotry against other Religions. In this case it gave bigoted Muslims a justifiable target for their natural aggression - the Ahamadi. Worse still, for decades the Ahamadi have harassed and even murdered.