Zionist piracy

**Mr.Spock** · 06-04-10, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

sounds like the ISrael we all know and love

Wrong to genocidial freak. I understand what human life means. IT is against mine religion to harm any living creature. The jag off who made a death threat against me has the audacity to lecature me about the value of human life.I know what it means to take a life I say what I say about you and Israel because your own actions and statements show you don't.

If you would understand how much our soldiers life are important to us, then you would have understand how stupid it is what you say. I am therefor forced to conclude you do not understand.

**nirakar** · 06-04-10, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lucysnow

PJ only plastic soldiers carry plastic guns with no bullets. These are real soldiers. Know the guy who you pass at the airport who is just standing around wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm? He's got real bullets too and if you come attempted to rush him with a bunch of your friends wielding a crow bar then a bunch of other guys who were just standing around wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm will shoot some of you.

Carjackers have real guns with real bullets too and if you spit in their face while they are stealing your car they will kill you. I can't blame anybody for wanting to spit in the carjackers face but doing so would be stupid unless they wanted to be a Martyr.

But some people are stupid enough to spit in a carjackers face.

**baftan** · 06-04-10, 02:11 AM

Nobody is listening to each other, both sides are playing "poor victims" and they expect rest of the world must take a side. What is the point of this thread? It makes no sense more than a Star Wars vs Star Trek debate.

**pjdude1219** · 06-04-10, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Spock

If you would understand how much our soldiers life are important to us, then you would have understand how stupid it is what you say. I am therefor forced to conclude you do not understand.

if they meant half as much to you as you claim you'd actually seek peace. Your countries actions speak far louder than any of the words you can bring to bear.

**Mr.Spock** · 06-04-10, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Black Jack

I don't have to know anything about you, because you're as transparent as glass! You've done absolutely nothing so far to prove anything I've said about you is false.

All you're doing is simply refuting any argument you disagree with by either saying the exact opposite of what the other person said, or simply disregarding anything that person said altogether.

Don't be mad just because I hit the nail on the head.

It basically a waste of time with him. A person that thinks that jewish women should be raped because there are jews living on "Arab land" is just another brainwashed pawn.

**pjdude1219** · 06-04-10, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Spock

It basically a waste of time with him. A person that thinks that jewish women should be raped because there are jews living on "Arab land" is just another brainwashed pawn.

nice libel

**Mrs.Lucysnow** · 06-04-10, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by nirakar

Their cargo barely mattered. Getting Egypt to temporarily halt the blockade mattered. Putting the media spotlight on the policy of collective punishment mattered. That only partially worked because Israel and it's allied media spinners have been quite skillful at diverting the spotlight away from the "collective punishment" issue.

Well I understand about putting the media light on collective punishment, and it is collective punishment in terms of having the whole population in Gaza suffer for Hamas and its actions. But if they wanted to push Egypt into temporarily opening their borders why didn't they just take the stuff into Egypt and try and attempt to cross the border?

**Mr.Spock** · 06-04-10, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

if they meant half as much to you as you claim you'd actually seek peace. Your countries actions speak far louder than any of the words you can bring to bear.

Its not something I expect you to understand, you are just proving my point time and time again.

**pjdude1219** · 06-04-10, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Spock

Its not something I expect you to understand, you are just proving my point time and time again.

I'm really tired of the woe unto me shit you pull. I understand all about caring about the soldiers of one's country. Part of that is to push to only have them used as a last resort which Israel doesn't do.

**Mrs.Lucysnow** · 06-04-10, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by nirakar

Carjackers have real guns with real bullets too and if you spit in their face while they are stealing your car they will kill you. I can't blame anybody for wanting to spit in the carjackers face but doing so would be stupid unless they wanted to be a Martyr.

But some people are stupid enough to spit in a carjackers face.

I would agree with the analogy if the vessels were a cruise ship on their way to Barbados. As it stands the vessels were heading into what they KNEW would be a situation whereby the Israeli's would stop the vessels. Why wouldn't the Israeli's attempt to stop them and seize their cargo? Would you have been satisfied if the Israeli's had waited until they entered their waters and then board the ship and seize the cargo? Are soldiers, ANY SOLDIER , supposed to allow themselves to be attacked? What would you do if you were a soldier and someone came at you with a crow bar?

They didn't just spit at these soldiers they attacked them.

If you fuck around with armed men you should be prepared to get shot.

**pjdude1219** · 06-04-10, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Lucysnow

I would agree with the analogy if the vessels were a cruise ship on their way to Barbados. As it stands the vessels were heading into what they KNEW would be a situation whereby the Israeli's would stop the vessels. Why wouldn't the Israeli's attempt to stop them and seize their cargo? Would you have been satisfied if the Israeli's had waited until they entered their waters and then board the ship and seize the cargo? Are soldiers, ANY SOLDIER , supposed to allow themselves to be attacked? What would you do if you were a soldier and someone came at you with a crow bar?

They didn't just spit at these soldiers they attacked them.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that these soldiers were Israeli meaning the protesters had every reason to believe that they would be attacked the moment they touched the deck?

**Black Jack** · 06-04-10, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by baftan

It makes no sense more than a Star Wars vs Star Trek debate.

Must... resist...

**Mr.Spock** · 06-04-10, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that these soldiers were Israeli meaning the protesters had every reason to believe that they would be attacked the moment they touched the deck?

I thought the soldiers attacked them first and they just defended themselves. Now when everyone knows they are liars, instead of criticizig them for that the new argument is: "But the isreali are known.."

They were caught lying red handed and they attacked the soldiers to die as martyrs. End of story.

**pjdude1219** · 06-04-10, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Spock

I thought the soldiers attacked them first and they just defended themselves. Now when everyone knows they are liars, instead of criticizig them for that the new argument is: "But the isreali are known.."

No its called trying a different tact when people refuse to see the reason in one form of an argument.

They were caught lying red handed and they attacked the soldiers to die as martyrs. End of story.

You can believe what ever you want I'm sticking to the truth

**Mrs.Lucysnow** · 06-04-10, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that these soldiers were Israeli meaning the protesters had every reason to believe that they would be attacked the moment they touched the deck?

So why did they bother going if they knew they would be attacked by Israeli soldiers? Surely they knew they would encounter the IDF at some point. Were they on a suicide mission?

**Black Jack** · 06-04-10, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

No its called trying a different tact when people refuse to see the reason in one form of an argument.

You can believe what ever you want I'm sticking to the truth

No, it's called changing your story when it's convenient for you, and it's often done by people who are full of crap.

Which truth then, exactly are you sticking to?

They defended themselves preemptively? Or they defended themselves after they were attacked?

**Mr.Spock** · 06-04-10, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by pjdude1219

No its called trying a different tact when people refuse to see the reason in one form of an argument.

You can believe what ever you want I'm sticking to the truth

Well if the truth is so important to you explain this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSS...os=sWZkOJV4dpY

Had they gotten them ready before the attack?

Yes, they got them ready before.

As this was going on, a helicopter approached, and people knew they were going to try to take over the ship. Lots of people then tried to stand around the captain [on the bridge] to stand in their way.

I was not directly under the helicopter, but I could see things quite clearly: First one commando, then another descended.

People rushed the first commando and they overpowered him.

How? Did they use wooden clubs or metal rods or anything?

No, it was just basically hand-to-hand combat. You have to realize there were about 25 or 30 people fighting with this guy, and they overpowered him and disarmed him. Then they threw him onto the deck below.

And they didn’t use any weapons at all when they were doing this?

No, none at all.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...cmpid=nl-news1

**Mrs.Lucysnow** · 06-04-10, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by baftan

Nobody is listening to each other, both sides are playing "poor victims" and they expect rest of the world must take a side. What is the point of this thread? It makes no sense more than a Star Wars vs Star Trek debate.

And look at how long the SW vs ST thread has become.

I agree in a sense that it doesn't make sense to go on about Israel vs. Palestine as the two sides never meet in the middle and all the jibber jabber (my own included) doesn't amount to a hill of beans covered in cow dung. It certainly doesn't change US policy nor help bring peace or resolve conflict nor does it ever amount to pertinent information on the subject. All the same things get said over and over.

For some posters here the issue is their pet project.

**nirakar** · 06-04-10, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Lucysnow

Well I understand about putting the media light on collective punishment, and it is collective punishment in terms of having the whole population in Gaza suffer for Hamas and its actions. But if they wanted to push Egypt into temporarily opening their borders why didn't they just take the stuff into Egypt and try and attempt to cross the border?

That was previously tried and Egypt managed to stop that without killing anybody. I think they beat some people up but that event was not as newsworthy.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/010610Lendman.shtml

**James R** · 06-04-10, 02:45 AM

Well said, Lucysnow.

Supporters of one "side" or the other on this forum have mostly lost the ability to see the wood for the trees. They spend their time whining about the latest great wrong committed by the "other side", while ignoring all wrongs committed by their own preferred side. They believe that taking a hard-line position will lead to progress, despite the fact that no progress has resulted from that approach in 50 years. They don't believe in a middle ground; one side must win all, take all, be all. And then there are also, for some, the ulterior motives. Support Israel not because you believe in a Jewish homeland, but because you hate Islam or Arabs or whatever. Support Palestine not because you believe in a Palestinian homeland, but because you hate America, or you're anti-semitic, or you consider yourself the self-appointed champion of the "underdog", despite never actually doing anything except jabbering. Who knows? Perhaps you're a nutty End-Times "Christian" who thinks that if the Palestinians are wiped out then it will open the way for the End Times to come, with the return of Jesus, who of course will choose you to go to heaven.

Whatever the reason, these people have lost any obejctivity they might have once had. They don't care about facts any more. They only really care about using "new" information to create new spin for their favorite crusade.