06-05-10, 04:39 PM #1141
As for irail "genorously" delivering the goods, there would be no NEED for these aid ships if israil didnt concider things like coriander and concreate to be "prohibited items" rather than humanitarian aid. Guess they are worried HAMAS might use the coriander to win master chef as part of there evil plans
06-05-10, 07:01 PM #1142
It's amazing how much restraint Israel shows towards people trying to kill them.
They go way too easy on the terrorists and their ilk of supposedly 'non-terrorist' supporters.
When those people attacked and damn near killed those Israeli soldiers I would have swept the deck with fire till every terrorist was down.
06-05-10, 08:55 PM #1143
06-05-10, 10:16 PM #1144
Gaza has no economic future with or without the blockade. Israel no longer needs Palestinians for cheap labor. Israel is doing guest workers from all around the world and illegal immigrants just like the rest of the developed world. See charts at: http://www.focus-migration.de/Israel.5246.0.html?&L=1
Israel has 10% unemployment and many employer still prefers hiring foreign workers to hiring Jewish citizens for the same reasons that employers in the USA prefer hiring illegal immigrants to hiring Americans.
Gaza is very densely populated and too dry for intensive agriculture. There are so many urban poor people around the world willing to do manufacturing for slave wages but at least those cities tend to have a rural area around them to supply them with cheap food and water. Those cities also get to be the financial and administrative centers for larger rural populations. Gaza without generous aid would be screwed.
Gaza is economically screwed if the aid dries up. I can't see Gaza becoming an international financial hub like Singapore. I can't see Gaza becoming a beach city tourist destination. Gaza may have good beaches but so do the rest of the Mediterranean nations.
The vast majority of people in Gaza are descendants of people who fled their homes in Israel in 1948 because they were afraid that the Israelis would kill them. The future of these people is bleak even if Israel frees Gaza.
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06-05-10, 10:21 PM #1145
06-05-10, 10:38 PM #1146
Okay, the MV Rachel Corrie has been seized by the Israelis.I doubt they will allow her cargo [500 tons of cement for building] into Gaza
Meanwhile, there are plans for other flotillas, other ships.
She will be sailing to Gaza during the second half of July. In order to avoid sabotage, the exact date and name of the port of departure will be announced only shortly before her launch....
[Kate Leiterer:] ''In attacking the Freedom Flotilla, Israel has once again demonstrated to the world a heinous brutality. But I know that there are very many Israelis who compassionately and bravely campaign for a just peace. With broadcasting journalists from mainstream television programmes accompanying our boat, Israel will have a great chance to show the world that there is another way, a way of courage rather than fear, a way of hope rather than hate',' says Edith Lutz, an organizer and passenger on what is being called the "Jewish boat."
''Jüdische Stimme,'' or Jewish Voice for Peace, along with European Jews for a Just Peace in the Near East, and Jews for Justice For Palestinians (UK) are "sending a call to the leaders of the world: Help Israel find her way back to reason, to a sense of humanity and a life without fear."
This afternoon, it was decided that a ship with supplies will be leaving Beirut next week for Gaza. Regrettably, the ship can take only 50 passengers and even more regrettably, the places appear reserved mostly for parliamentarians and journalists. The Archbishop of Jerusalem as well as Abbas Nasser (Jazeera) that have just been released by Israel a couple of days ago will be on the ship next week.
The ship will be called the Naji al-Ali after a famous Palestinian cartoonist (drew 40,000 political cartoons and spared no one) that was assassinated in 1987 in London
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is weighing the possibility of traveling to the Gaza Strip in order to “break the Israeli blockade,” the Lebanese newspaper al-Mustaqbal reported on Saturday, according to Army Radio.
Erdogan reportedly raised the idea in conversations with close associates and even informed the United States of his intention to ask the Turkish Navy to accompany another aid flotilla to Gaza. The Americans asked Erdogan to delay his plans, in light of tensions on the region, the Lebanese report said.
06-05-10, 10:51 PM #1147
06-05-10, 10:55 PM #1148
06-05-10, 10:56 PM #1149
06-05-10, 10:57 PM #1150
06-05-10, 11:06 PM #1151
The Real Psycho in the room:
Three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.
The first has been sent in response to Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, a political and military organisation in Lebanon, could hit sites in Israel, including air bases and missile launchers.
Though that story was reported by the Times of London and several Israeli newspapers, it got little if any notice in the U.S. mass media. And now that all eyes are on the terrible attack at sea, it’s not likely to get any notice. Perhaps that’s why Netanyahu could risk giving Iran such a central role in his concocted version of the Mavi Marmara tragedy.
No one is paying attention to the central fact: Even if Iranian missiles were being smuggled into Gaza, they would be mere firecrackers compared to the nuclear missiles that Israel plans to keep permanently in range of Teheran and every other city in Iran.
What does the Israeli justification of the attack on the Mavi Marmara tell the Iranians? It was self-defense, Netanyahu insisted; Israel has the right to use any violence necessary to stop ships from coming into Gaza harbor. His defense minister, Ehud Barak, agreed, telling the commandos who carried out the attack that “we live in the Middle East, in a place where there is no mercy for the weak.” And a top Israeli Navy commander warned that Israel will use even more aggressive force to prevent future ships, like the MV Rachel Corrie, from breaking the blockade
If I were an Iranian military planner, I would be listening to all this very closely. It’s all about self-defense, right? Well Iran is in infinitely more danger than Israel. Barak himself recently said publicly: “Right now, Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel.” But three submarine loaded with nuclear-armed missiles certainly pose an existential threat to Iran. And according to Barak, Middle Eastern nations should show no mercy to the weak.
06-05-10, 11:19 PM #1152
There was no way they would have allowed the people to dock in Gaza than there would be a change of a boat docking in Gitmo with people who just want to give 'care packages' to the detainees. Sorry there aren't any governments that would have allowed you to break a blockade.
As far as Hamas, I don't want to hear about those people. They refused the aid because they couldn't get all including the prohibited items. I'm done with them. I cannot think of anything more DEPLORABLE than using aid and the international community's idea of fair play to advance ones cause. Sorry but they REFUSED the aid. If the people in Gaza are desperate you don't refuse aid because it doesn't contain 'cement'. Their full of shit! It had nothing to do with aid, it was a stunt to try and discredit the Israeli government. So do I believe the soldiers were attacked as they board the other vessel? Yes
If you care about Palestinian people you should have them dump Hamas. Hamas will keep them living with nothing until there aren't any left.
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06-05-10, 11:33 PM #1153
06-05-10, 11:36 PM #1154
06-05-10, 11:37 PM #1155
Neither the junta nor North Korea is a representative leadership. Palestinians on the other hand have elected Hamas.
06-05-10, 11:47 PM #1156
I wouldn't give them a red cent and its the reason why you have nations that support this blockade.
Let the people choose someone else or suffer like those people in N.Korea and Myanmar. What's ironic is that you are suggesting its okay to have a blockade and sanction nations whereby the people get hurt even though they didn't even vote for the government. But we should have compassion for a people who voted in a hostile government that cannot get themselves off a terrorist list! Well done! Viva the craziness
I would rather feed the people of N. korea if that's the case.
06-05-10, 11:54 PM #1157
I haven't seen the documentary so I cannot comment on it. However, I know what the freedom movement was like in India so I know that in any political uprising there will be bad as well as good. As for toxic, Hamas is the only political group that has managed to keep Israelis off the part of Palestine they control. Apart from that, the rest of Palestine is under total occupation.
I would rather feed the people of N. korea if that's the case.
Western morality is so narrow and constrained
06-06-10, 12:02 AM #1158
Well then you will have to watch it then.
Kept them off? Bullshit! The Israeli's have isolated them in an area where they have NOTHING! You are dreaming they control absolutely nothing, most definitely not the port. They cannot be trusted at all.
I don't like N. Korean weird Juche preaching government, but that wasn't my point. My point is that they would deserve it more than an aid refusing Hamas who stages events for THEMSELVES not the people. Anyone who claims to love the Palestinian people cannot support Hamas.
You can watch for yourself if you like,its the history and the past and present leader and its by UK's Channel Four which does incredible documentaries and have a good reputation. Even you would have to admit its all quite fair. The only people we can feel sorry for while watching are the palestinians but no, no aid while Hamas is at the helm.
06-06-10, 12:26 AM #1159but no, no aid while Hamas is at the helm.
06-06-10, 12:31 AM #1160
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