Peadophillia. Forgive the strong subject.

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Danny G, May 20, 2010.

  1. Danny G "Listen.. you smell something" Registered Senior Member

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    I was talking with some friends at work today about a local man, that had been caught with hundreds of child porn pictures and videos on his computer, this man was a self made millionaire and very popular in his social circles.

    We then got onto why people turn to this sick fetish, we agreed that most people have some sort of sexual fetish, but nearly all of these fit into popular culture.
    On further talking we drew then conclusion (wrong or right i don't know) that, these people who seem popular with lots of money are sexually bored, as they will have probably explored most normal sexual fetishes and fantasies as they would have had the money to do so, and are looking for something else to excite them.

    do you think its from boredom? or are you born with it? or is there no reason other than the individual is just sick?
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    no its not from boredom, its from biology.

    There is no such thing as "sick". They are either part of the general consensus of society or not. He was just unlucky to have a fetish that is unacceptable by society (which I am being part of, agree with). My fetish for example is for women peeing, lucky or unlucky me? it seems to be acceptable in this society, not illegal, so I am lucky.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    This particular subject is an extremely sensitive one, so I'll be watching closely.


    Draq:
    That's TWO unsubstantiated comments.
    There is evidence that boredom leads to "deviant" sexual practices.
    And the second one should be self-evident.
     
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  7. siledre Registered Senior Member

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    I think biology is only part of the answer, there are definitely biological criteria for what arouses us but there are also environmental and learned behavior in our sexual roles and desires.
     
  8. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    ??? Biology is the study of the human body, where do you get fetishes from biology?
     
  9. Danny G "Listen.. you smell something" Registered Senior Member

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    I personally do think its boredom. What do you buy the man who has everything? Its the same scenario. The man who has "done" everything inside the law, will go outside it to get the next level of arousal.
     
  10. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    And you have just made two unsubstantiated comments.

    Reported for stupidity, if anything else.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nice try, but fail.
    Do learn to read.
     
  12. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    I know how to read. But clearly you don't know how to be consistent, you dishonest coward.
     
  13. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Instead of trying to get off on children why don't they get a operation which makes them women. That way they can get off another way instead of with kids. They have excellant doctors today that will change any man into a woman, and that would be very interesting to them.:shrug:
     
  14. mordea Registered Senior Member

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    Isn't arousal produced by chemicals in the brain?
     
  15. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Depends on what you mean. Some forms can be, some aren't. Ofcourse I could be wrong.
     
  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Pedophilia is either a type of rape or something very similar to rape, depending on which paradigm you use. Rape is almost always a crime of violence and power, more than a crime of sex. If a man were simply horny, it would be so much easier, safer, and socially acceptable to hire a prostitute than to rape an unwilling victim. But having to pay someone kind of gives you the feeling that she's the one with the power and, unless you have more money to burn than most of us make in a week, hookers don't let you satisfy your violent urge on them. Pedophilia doesn't usually involve violence (it's fairly easy to talk children into playing a "new game," especially if you've done it several times before) but it's all about power. These guys (and occasionally gals) can't find a path through life that gives them any sense of control. So they have to resort to children, who are so much easier to control.

    Sick? Sure. Because of the limitation of the birth canal width on a newborn's brain size, and for several other reasons, humans undergo an inordinately long childhood compared to any other mammal. Even whales and elephants reach adolescence in a couple of years. In order for the species to survive, human adults have to have an instinct to be kind, caring, nurturing and forgiving to children until they're practically ready for college, and even then we have to pull our punches.

    Any human who can deliberately and happily abuse a child, or harm one in any other way, especially on a regular basis and not just losing his temper once and regretting it forever, is indeed SICK. I'm sure there's a six-syllable medical term for it, but "sick" ought to be good enough for our purposes. He is overriding one of our species's most important instincts, or else he was born without it.
    But pedophilia isn't just deviant. Boredom can make you do things that are bizarre, risky, stupid, expensive, silly, and even antisocial. There are all kinds of "deviant" sexual practices that make ya not wanna look, or even not read about them, but as long as they're between consenting adults (or adults and strange manufactured objects), the participant's Human Race passport is still valid.

    But violating the basic human instinct to care for a child? That's not boredom. That's being wired wrong. Passport confiscated.
    Dywyddyr is one of our most scholarly and best-educated Moderators. Draqon is one of our most infamous trolls and (to make the point that this is not just a personal insult) he has an impressive history of bans to attest to that reputation. If you had nicely asked Dywyddyr to present the evidence for his assertions, which is the proper way to perform a peer review in a place of science and scholarship, I guarantee he would be happy to do so. If you had made the same request of Draq there's no telling what he would have done, but it would have been entertaining. There's no cause to treat Dywyddyr like a troll.
    That's a personal insult and an egregious violation of the rules. Fortunately this isn't my board so it's not up to me to discipline you. Oh wait, this is Dywyddyr's board. This should be fun to watch. I hope he's in a good mood today, don't you?

    Some of us Moderators feel that, in order to avoid looking like Nazis, we have to put up with a certain amount of rudeness directed at us. Others feel that since we're in charge of keeping this place civilized, insulting a Moderator is a particularly serious infraction.

    I wonder how Dywyddyr feels about it?
     
  17. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    A friend of mine is a prison guard, and has had professional dealings with a significant number of convicted pedophiles. His view is that they are definitely non normal (better than saying 'sick') in their sexuality. He told me of how they react when he accompanies them on trips away from prison. Women that would drag his eyes away from front leave these pedophiles cold. However, see a child and they stare at him/her and start breathing heavily.

    I do not know if this is genetic or other, but this form of sexuality is as powerful as heterosexuality. It appears to be hard to resist. The pedophile often cannot control his urges, and another child suffers.

    On the other hand, we do not know how many guys have pedophile urges, but never give in to them, because they know it is wrong.
     
  18. draqon Banned Banned

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    Skeptical, which proves that it is a biological thing.
     
  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I knew one--a long time ago in the middle of the Sexual Revolution when all of us were young and naive and had no idea how to deal with something like that. He was perfectly heterosexual with his girlfriend (who knew about his record), and she let him play with her children. We eventually came to our senses and quit hanging out with both of them.
    It's about power, but it's also bad wiring. No telling how strong it is in any individual.
    Humans are famous for being able to override our urges. We have a uniquely massive forebrain with enough neuron power to sometimes stifle instinctive behaviors.

    So really, there's no telling how many are out there who are successful at stifling. But just because they can overcome the urge, doesn't mean that they can completely hide the attitude. I'm sure a shrink could spot one in a second.
     
  20. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    I don't have a problem with a pedophile who knows it is wrong and stifles the urge. Indeed, such a person I woud respect.

    I am a red blooded, normal heterosexual guy, but I have friends who are homosexual or bisexual - male and female both. I respect them for their non sexual qualities while generally avoiding the topic of sex in conversation.

    A person's sexuality is his or her own business. It is only when it leads to them hurting someone that it becomes wrong.
     
  21. deicider got omnicidead Registered Senior Member

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    Not "sick",there isn't currently a straightforward answer,just like most things in brain biology,its too early to make conclusions.
    And yes Omega123 its all chemical reactions,in more fundamental terms its all physics.

    Ofcourse in todays society which is christian,even if ur an atheist or of other religion and live in a "western" country you LIVE a christian lifestyle,you think like a christian,for example homophobia is largely a christian thing,but most atheists are still homophobes.
    Even Hollywood helped foreign counties to adopt that manly system.

    Pedophilia has become a synonym of child rape (and enables some admins to "win" some debates somewhere in the far land of internet),whereas (lawful,not forced)pedophilia for example in ancient Greece was a part of a boy's coming of age.

    Whats normal? what the effective majority decides.
    Sociosexual subject in the general eyes of public ,even in 2000's is still centuries back,who can blame them?
     
  22. deicider got omnicidead Registered Senior Member

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    The shorterm changes (lifecourse) affects and shapes the longerm(evolution) and it is constantly in motion,there is no discrete wiring,thats why you can't really say "bad" wiring ,rather "different" or counter productive (to human self and social functions).
    Perhaps you could say the wiring of people when they start to distance from the reproductive age ,that wire tells them to be "housekeepers" and take care of family's minors,the brain rises their "parenting love" and incidentally it gets altered by the shorterm changes and twists that caring love to a different kind of attraction.
    Ofc there are countless of other factors,its just a wild speculation.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Ever since we began inventing stone tools a couple of million years ago, humans have been transcending both the external nature of our environment and the internal nature of our biology. Civilization, especially, has been a twelve thousand year exercise in the transcendence of nature. Today, many of our most important activities, such as forgoing present consumption for the benefit of our great-great-grandchildren, or making peace with distant strangers who are no more than abstractions to us, override instinctive behavior. Therefore it is not only fair, but mandatory, to analyze our behavior from the perspective of our own rules of transcendence, not just from the perspective of chemistry and biology.

    One of the most important of these rules, which in fact does not so much override instinct but extend it beyond the instinctive realm of our immediate family, is to help everyone's children grow up and become the next generation of adults, so civilization will not only survive but advance. At a minimum this requires things like:
    • Driving off a predator that is attacking a child.
    • Not walking past an injured child and letting him bleed to death.
    • Discouraging him from an uncivilized activity.
    • Making reasonable accommodations to create a safe environment for him.
    • If his parents are for some reason incapable of raising him properly, bringing this to the attention of the other elders of the community.
    • Not subverting his normal sexual maturation by playing sexual games before and during the early years of puberty.
    Our "wiring" is not all the result of evolution and biology. A great deal of it is crafted by our elders during our own extremely long (by the standards of all other mammals) childhood. It is perfectly fair to say that if a human being grows up with the determination to perform acts of pedophilia, then he is, indeed, wired wrong. It could be an accidental mutation, a perturbation to his fetal development, bad parenting, or a conscious decision to flout the rules of civilization for the perverse thrill of being an outlaw. The reason doesn't matter a whole lot. He's wired wrong and can't be included as a member of civilization. That's all that matters. If he can be healed and safely released back into civilization, so be it. If not, treat him the way we treat anyone else who is not civilized. I oppose capital punishment in all but a few very specific cases for reasons you can read about in great detail on other threads, but life imprisonment is reasonable.
    Having lived in Hollywood for many years I am a staunch supporter of gay rights, but even I recognize that homophobia is not a spurious Christian phenomenon. Our Stone Age ancestors were always on the brink of extinction, so it was the responsibility of every member of the tribe to reproduce. A species lacking the instinct for heterosexual intercourse would not last long. Many Muslim nations have much more draconian punishment for homosexuality than the Christian nations.
    Ironically, considering the huge number of gay people behind the camera--and in front of it, in the closet, like Cary Grant.
    As I noted in my previous post, pedophilia is in fact either a form of rape or an antisocial activity very similar to rape. It's all about power and it tears at the fabric of civilization.
    "Pedophilia" by definition means sexual activity with a child. The definition of "child" varies from one era to the next, and once a person stops being a "child" then the principle of "consenting adults" comes into play and consensual sex with him is no longer defined as pedophilia or as any type of rape. Isn't it interesting that the Ancient Greeks didn't feel the same way about their daughters?
    Welcome to democracy. Hang on, it's a rough ride.
    I'm not sure which subjects you're referring to. There's been quite a loosening of sexual mores in the USA and Europe since the Sexual Revolution, which began roughly fifty years ago with the Baby Boom, but had its roots in the previous generation. Gay people can legally marry in the capital cities of all three North American countries. Adultery is ignored and fornication is a word you only hear in conservative Christian churches, most of whose congregation probably engage in it anyway. Newspapers have classified ads for menages a trois. Both contraception and abortion have been legal for decades.

    As our population expands far beyond the level needed to assure survival of the species, and in fact to the level at which it begins to jeopardize that survival, our attitudes toward reproduction as the only goal of sex are changing to keep up with reality.
     

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