04-22-10, 09:00 AM #21
and you made a statement there is heaven there is hell, no inbetweem.. well what are you in now?
04-22-10, 09:09 AM #22
04-22-10, 11:52 AM #23
you're right. i'm sorry. i don't want to attack you, and i don't want to judge you. i would however like to engage in a conversation where you explain your point of view and i explain mine, in respect to scripture and see how they compare. you identify yourself with jesus and christianity on this board, and as i understand, in your personal life every day as well, so i want to know why and what it means to you.
correct me if i'm wrong. you started a thread citing some political news regarding the legalization of gay marriage. and i wondered why this was of interest to you at all.
then i read a response that you gave someone regarding marriage, saying that you would never be married because you didn't ever want to give half of your stuff to a man.
now it makes more sense to me that you were concerned with the legalization of gay marriage, as you apparently consider marriage to be a secular contract.
where in the bible does it describe marriage as a secular contract? nowhere.
the bible describes marriage as a covenant between a man, woman, and god, and is consecrated and defined by sexual intercourse.
now adstar brought up some good scripture that i'm familiar with suggesting that pursuing and engaging in a sexual relationship (marriage) would serve as a distraction from spirituality, because it's a physical relationship. it's of the flesh, of the world, and it's material. and that's true.
that's why nuns and priests and lots of other people are celibate, and that's noble. the scripture also warns that if celibacy is a struggle for you, then it is best to marry. i asked you if you were a virgin, but i meant celibate, and i would like to know if you plan on remaining celibate for life.
and i want to point out that usually, in a case where someone would forego marriage in an attempt to be more spiritually oriented, they would also forego the pursuit of material wealth and possessions.
and this is not what your statement regarding marriage suggested at all. your statement clearly suggested that you forego marriage for the sake of the pursuit of material wealth and possessions.
i'm not jealous of you because you're rich. i am rich too. and those things in my life that i value the most, and mean the most to me, aren't for sale at any price.
i really don't think god cares all that much about whether you're rich or poor. i think everything happens for a reason and people are who they're supposed to be and live the lives they're supposed to live. it's about what you value though.
greed isn't wanting to have. greed is wanting to have more than someone else, or at the expense of someone else.
do you suggest that material wealth is an indication of a relationship with god? is that how you witness to people? by saying, "look at all of this stuff god gave me!" because some people do that.
imo, and as scripture states, a much better indication of a relationship with god is how well and how truly you love other people. you don't have to have a lot of money to do that.
would you still be singing praises if you were broke?
04-22-10, 12:56 PM #24
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)
I'm guessing this applies to a rich woman as well...
Christians love to ignore the things that the Bible says Jesus said.
They usually prefer Paul's words instead.
The alternatives for the Christian are, water this down until it means nothing, or heed it's warning.
Jesus also taught that the wealthy person should give ALL, not most, of their wealth away and so subject themselves to complete reliance on God for even their most basic needs like food and shelter.
Of course, this might require a tiny bit of faith...
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04-22-10, 01:32 PM #25
Atheist that digs JC.. how does that atheism thing work when you have a higher power?
04-22-10, 01:57 PM #26
Here is another one for the Christian to reject and ignore.
19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
This was only supposed to be Jesus talking after all...
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04-22-10, 06:13 PM #27
I posted the gay marriage story because it's current and interesting. Not for any other reason.
My comment about half my stuff was just a comment and not my main reason for staying single. I love my life and don't want to change it.
I am not discussing my sex life here. Not in any way.
No, I don't consider material wealth=a relationship with God. There are plenty of broke Christians. I witness by saying whatever God tells me to say. I am always led by the Holy Spirit--not my own thoughts or words.
I love plenty of people very well. My life is full and rich.
Of course I would still praise Him if I had nothing. My love/adoration for Him has nothing to do with money.
04-22-10, 07:32 PM #28
Originally Posted by sandy
There is no in between according to Jesus. You are either hot or cold. He spits our lukewarm.
I am not religious. I think manmade religion sucks. Big Time. I am just an on-fire-for-Jesus born-again Christian who walks the walk and talks the talk.
04-22-10, 09:28 PM #29
04-22-10, 09:52 PM #30
M*W: You have a religious addiction. You are not in touch with reality. You say you don't need religion or church, but, hey, I don't either. The difference is, you and your 'magical thinking' have found the Jesus fix, and that's all you need. Too bad you can't just shoot-up Jesus into your veins.
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04-22-10, 10:03 PM #31
Too bad you can't just shoot-up Jesus into your veins.
You get off faster if you smoke JC and you don't have to water Him down
04-22-10, 10:48 PM #32
04-22-10, 10:49 PM #33
04-22-10, 11:10 PM #34
04-22-10, 11:19 PM #35
Didn't you sing the praise of 12 step programs... the woo - woo higher power
Watered down religion..AA
04-22-10, 11:26 PM #36
04-22-10, 11:52 PM #37
Also, now I see why you said "Higher Power" about me. You must be assuming that I am IN AA and using a Higher power.
I am NOT in AA nor do I drink. I am not an alcoholic.
My wording was clear. I said:
I'm a nube.
I've not seen her do any of those things in the entire time I've been here.
Secondly, I did not direct Sandy's quote to Medicine Woman.
You misread my post completely if you think such is the case.
Lastly, My response to MW is isolate and speaks ONLY on what MW said that I confronted.
I suggest that you read posts far more carefully before you jump to inaccuracies.
04-23-10, 12:11 AM #38
Originally Posted by Medicine*Woman
Had I known this was going to be a character assassination I would not have responded. I thought you were sincere. Foolish me. Here's a little secret: I don't care what you think or what you say. Nothing you say here affects me in the least.
Why do you even care that I have chosen to stay single? Miserable about your choice?
My threads are not always political. Do a search, Miss personal attacker. People don't go to Heaven based on their politics. They go based on their relationship (or lack thereof) with Jesus Christ/God. I do walk the walk. That's why He has given me everything I want. Why do you hate that I'm rich? That is how He wants us--not poor, broke, useless and unable to do anything for anyone in His Kingdom.
Yes, I am a chick. A hot, smart, funny, CCR chick. And that makes you furious.
If you have any other questions I'm happy to answer. If you're just going to attack then I'm done. Have a nice day
See? You have it as originally posted by MW. Then you go on about Lori as if it was MW who had responded to Sandy with said quote. That's what I was referring to.
Also in truth Sandy just gave her opinion based on her own life and faith and then Lori went on to try and psychoanalyze her with 'fear of intimacy' (as if every human being has a responsibility to pair up), accuse her of being 'arrogan't for being single, not to mention assuming Sandy was choosing her 'things' over 'communion' and then goes on to say Sandy wishes she were a man. Now that's hardly what I would call a post without any derision.
I'm just sayin
04-23-10, 05:31 AM #39
it's because of the love of money and material wealth and greed. i suppose the more money you have, the more at risk you would be. if you look at the effect that greed has on the world you can see it's pretty toxic on many levels.
if you have faith in money and not god, that's a problem. and if you value money more than people, that's a problem.
the bible teaches that the true measure of wealth is in fruits of the spirit, which are intangible things that cannot be bought or sold.
and there will be no money in the kingdom, so the love of it here and now is not preparing a christian in any way for their supposed destiny. quite the opposite actually. if people aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is here, then why would they there? there will be no fearful and/or greedy people in the kingdom who value possessions over people...who want to take, own, or have more than someone else, or at the expense of someone else. people like that won't fit in.
04-23-10, 05:36 AM #40
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