Suspected shoplifter dies after being detained at California Walmart

Bells, I am simply not going to discuss this thread with you anymore so you can blaze away at me. This is the last remark you will get from me to you in this thread or any other. I don't feel you are capable of a civilized discussion. Take that anyway you want, I simply do not care at this point. If you feel that Neverfly and I have similar "tactics" I really do not care. I don't see us posting the same at all. If we have similar views oh well. What are the odds of two human beings having similar views? It does happen Bells. And from what I have seen people other than Neverfly have had similar complaints about how you debate.

 

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You're still distorting, Bells. Your tactics are dishonest. Your character attacks are grossly out of line. Your Ad Hom tactics are Conduct unbecoming of a Mod. You're a loose cannon that allows your personal feelings to alter posts. For you to behave in such an uncontrolled manner to drive posters from this forum and to drive posters to this state of absolute frustration over your dishonesty and character attacks questions your judgment and actions.

I think there should be a Vote of No Confidence In You to Moderate.

 

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The follow video shows a little old lady being taken down by the cops. It looks bad but she was holding a knife.

Elderly woman slammed hard by police at Walmart

 

You call THAT polite? Dishonesty. You accused her of deliberately withholding part of the article.

You still have not accepted that Gee, Clarifying - her words- that they were not security- her words- shows that you are refusing to accept the facts.

JDawg called ME a Monster first, I just accepted it. Your Dishonesty.

Your posts stand Clear: Uncivilized and Impolite.

I'm tired of your lies and I'd like to know why no one will stand up to you.

Last bit of intellectual Dishonesty: Two years ago was a thread on ABORTION Bells. Not Rape. I had argued that the Father has some say in whether or not a fetus is aborted. I reminded you of this days ago in a PM. You cannot keep your facts straight.
You misrepresent others posts. You create character assassinations to paint a false image of Negative Character traits - You put words in posters mouths they never said.
You rely on the bet that someone coming along won't take the time to review all the lengthy posts to see what was actually said and will take your posts- supposedly spelling it all out with dishonest distortions at face value. You try to lie your way out of it.

No Confidence In Your Ability To Moderate.

 

It does look bad but they did instruct her several times to put the knife down. At the same time that she was refusing to put down the knife she was approaching a police officer. You simply cannot approach a police officer with a knife in your hand and not expect them to treat you as a threat. The by standers are blinding themselves to the errors the old lady made. If any of them had cared about her they should have convinced her to put down the knife.

Bystanders can be heard saying "she did have a knife but they didn't have to slam her like that." The thing is, an old person can stab you just like anyone else can. If you do not comply with police demands they will take the action they are trained to take. They will treat you as armed and dangerous. That's just the way it is, and at her age she should have known better than to approach the police with a knife.

They did not beat up the old lady up like the bystander keeps shouting. Its interesting how he starts laughing at the end. Seems he was enjoying the sensationalizing of the events he was creating.

 

Nice. Classic ju-jitsu move. And they didn't shoot her, which is a plus. A professional job on the part of the police. However, a Hapkido wrist lock would have caused her to drop the knife without flipping her on the ground.

 

Yes, I'm obviously a lunatic for being angry at your constant deceptions.

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Your only claim to show concern over my mental state is to justify me as warped. No. You have attacked, attacked and attacked until I got pissed off. That's Normal and Human. It's infuriating that Mods get away with lying about members. You're not fooling anyone.

Oh, whatever. Worst I said was I was a Soldier- U.S. Army and was willing to be dirty- That is FIGHT BACK. The premise was one of DEFENSE- On Topic. It means that I believe that a person getting physically assaulted has the right to defend themselves, and if the other person believed that a person should take the attack and not defend themselves, I would still be a defender. Response to his "Armchair hero comment" (Which you ignore) and him calling me a Monster first (which you also ignore.)

You brought it up - Post 82 At the bottom. I responded to it. YOU brought that up- NOT ME. It was not mentioned in any post previous to yours.
More intellectual dishonesty from you. Find where I brought that up- You still cannot keep your facts straight. You brought that up- out of the blue. I addressed what you brought up. And that thread and our huge fight back then was on the topic of ABORTION. Not rape. Comparing criminals being aggressively detained is Legitimate. You are the one who is mistaken. And it's been addressed- several times. Still not keeping your facts straight.

No, you need to stop resorting to deception to debate. Don't try playing it off all sweet now- You flamed in the thread. Made dishonest accusations, insinuations and flat out lied, repeatedly.
You pushed- hoping I'd finally stop posting calmly and politely. It worked.

I was Polite and I tried going through the Proper Channels. I PM'ed Mods, I reported posts for a change, I've tried ignoring you and I've tried discussing the matter. What I Observe going on is Mods can flame and insult members with impunity- and turn around and ban members for fighting back, saying they insulted and flamed when they defended themselves from mod attacks.

 

I actually posted a previous part of the article where it is mentioned that he was screaming "I'm dying!" Since I already addressed it I felt it would be redundant to address it again. You also did not post the entire article. Why did you leave parts out? Or is it ok for you to post the parts you are addressing and not the rest, but not ok for other participants to post only the parts they are addressing. Accusing me of intentionally hiding parts of the article is a cheap shot at best and terribly inaccurate. If this is the way you approach a debate I do not feel it is necessary to debate any further, since it seems there is one set of rules for you and another for the other participants. I will not debate on unfair terms. I did not take offense to you, I just came to the conclusion you do not follow the same rules the rest of us are expected to, hence my conclusion that you are not worth my time, and THAT is my final word.

 

Well, I am offended. By her mis-characterizations, Lies and the fact that I have to actually defend myself this hard from someone that's supposed to be entrusted as a Moderator to view topics fairly and objectively.

 

Granted: I did say that- I did not equate it for a moment because that thread was on Abortion, not rape. You claimed a rape thread and a disagreement on victims, which never happened. It was abortion and I was defending a fathers right to have some say in it. The audacity- for which I got heavily flamed. My mistake for confusing that.
Which I pointed out to you anyway... But since you mention it- I brought that up not because of a grudge- but to point out that you Drive People Off the Forums with your unchecked behavior. A legitimate reason.

Request to go calm down: Granted.
Return to the thread? I think not. I've taken more than enough of your attacks on my character.

 

In threads of this nature, are we not allowed to post follow up articles that provide more information as the story develops? I was addressing the new information in the article I linked to. I did not re post the entire article because I made the link available. I was advised by another member in an unrelated thread not to ever post an entire article or we can be accused of plagiarism. So I quoted the parts I was addressing. My interpretation of the article is my own interpretation and you are free and welcome to disagree with it, but to accuse me of intentionally hiding things is a false attack against me and my integrity. And considering I am still weighing the "evidence" in the case and considering all possibilities without jumping to any conclusion yet, I really don't understand why you are so adamantly trying to discredit me. Especially considering, much of what I have posted actually supports some of your earlier assertions.

It is possible to support one persons conclusion while allowing someone with a different conclusion to disagree. That is all I have done, while not coming yet to a conclusion on the situation described in the OP and elaborated on by the links you have posted as well as the links I have posted.

It is very clear at this point that you and Neverfly are both very emotionally charged at this point. As a mod, you should have defused this long ago, and you could have but chose not to. You have interacted with Neverfly on this forum long enough to know what his buttons are and you pushed them. He may very well have done the same to you. Whether either of you did it intentionally is unknown but you could have diffused and you did not. You were too involved to see things objectively.

If you feel I have been rude in anyway besides suggesting you are emotionally charged, something you have done nothing to suggest otherwise, then I would like to have you point my rude remarks so that I can reevaluate my own words and reconsider if I could have presented them in a way that would have been less offensive to you.

ETA: Can we please drop the debate of who said what and he started it no she started it. It is up for review according to you, and I am confident it is because I have reported your behavior and Neverfly says he has as well. Way before you decided that moderation was needed I may add.

 

ENOUGH for the love of whatever deity you may or may not worship or ignore... this is getting out of hand. Everybody on this "he said she said" train, grow some thicker skin okay? Not every single post is going to be all gingerbread and butterscotch - sometimes people will get emotional and sometimes people will get confrontational - as far as I can tell, Bell's questions, while not the most tactful, were legitimate and directed at what was/is visible (concrete), and thus asked for clarification on the REASON behind said posts.

Now, seriously, keep it civil, get back on track, drop it, or what have you... but stop derailing threads with "he said / she said" tomfoolery.

 

It's somewhat hard to read that shade of blue, but I'll second your request.

 

@ KilljoyKlown - I revised it with a darker color

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Much better

 

While we are on reductio ad absurdum:

8 year old steals a candy bar. Guard takes him out back and beats him to death. OK in your book?