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Bells, another guy who followed along just told me something. He does not wish to join for an argument, especially one in which he admits that he could not win considerint that the opponent will just relentlessly attack and make it appear as though her perceptions are correct using deception and condescension. I do not blame him.
But he did give his permission to pass on what he said to me:

I had not thought of that. You DID make it a trap where I had to back up what I said. Then you tried to make it into something it is not.

How am I responsible for what another person posts?!

This Post is included with post 359 which demonstrates your manipulation and most definetly- your condescension.

Add to it your post in this thread where you repeatedly try to claim I agree with Mordea.
You call this an attempt at Clarification on my posts? While rolling your eyes, typing "/pat" and dissembling posts deceptively?

You're attempts at proclaiming yourself innocent at becoming more and more shallow the more you post trying to paste it all on me.

 

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One correction:

Bells gave up her mod status. It wasn't taken away from her and she was a good one too, there were not many complaints about Bells as a mod.

 

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Post 39.
Again, post 54.

She joined to demonstrate I had not lied when I said others found your techniques manipulative.

That is NOT the same as her joining to support MY arguments in the thread- that is not the case.
You are trying to make it appear that it is.

This is not honest.

You ignored posts prior to my stating that we could not effectively discuss the issue. I CLEARLY referred to those posts being ignored. You have ignored none since then. I'm sure you are well aware of that.

Please stop all this dishonesty.

Indeed. See above.

Only you did.
Lucysnow admitted that she had not followed it along well and had to ask after that for that reason.

You keep claiming this has happened.
Yet, you cannot SHOW that it has happened.
I posted many examples of how I've been clear, too.

You simply fail to see how I can refer to a zygote as more than ahair follicle so you then ASSUME I must be contradicting myself.
Incorrect. You are just failing to understnad the argument.
This does not justify your repeated claims that followed my very clear answers, your questions I had answered being repeated, nor your claiming I never answered when I had.
Your failure to follow along is on you.

No, they would not
Post 359 shows that I clearly HAD answered you previous to your asking.

You now shift the goalposts to ammend, "Without contradicting yourself" yet we have covered your contradiction claim above.

Almost everyone else I've asked seems to understand my posts clearly. Why is it that YOU do not?

I will allow that taken on a short post at a given moment, if someone is not aware of my WHOLE argument, they might get confused.
However, this is irrelevant to the later manipulations you continued to pull.

I have refutted this claim several times at this point.

Rather than show my refutation in error- You simply repeat the claim over and over.

Typical Conspiracy Theorist style tactic.

Yes, I forced you to be condescending.

 

Then tell me- why did you post them in response to me saying I do not agree with Mordea's topics or all he says?

I don't. You also assume they all were friends.
You are ignoring what I said.
As usual.
And distorting it into something else.

I asked others to review it and see if I had lost my mind.

Simply, I pasted the link to the thread and asked what they thought.

Thank you for separating me from her posts, now.

Disconcerting, I imagine. I'd probably be pretty huffy too. But you made a simple mistake here...
He did it on what YOU showed him.

Because you said so in the thread.
Guests CAN read threads...

I just now logged in. I have seen no such requests. I'll look around and see what post I missed...
But I can answer this question now.

Considering the Very Strong bias, the manipulation, the distortion and dissembling as well as the vulgarity and condescension, he concluded that. Frankly, I agree with him.
If you dislike that- Examine Your Own Behavior.

This doesn't even make sense.
You ignored none because I pestered you?
Ok.
The rest is incorrect. I corrected you earlier.
I asked you to review my posts and I pointed out you had ignored several BEFORE I got Fed Up and said we needed to avoid eachother.

When unable to refute with reason-- Repeat claim. Got it.

Uhh nothing is stopping them... They can. I just summed it up in that post because you kept denying that you had ignored my clear statements. I showed that you had. You dislike that now and are trying to make it appear as though I manipulated it.
If I did- Go through that post and show the error OR allow others to read our participation in that thread and decide for themsselves.

Admittedly, I did that for brevity. Otherwise, the post would have been as long as a page. That would have been ridiculous.

Your failure to understand my stand is not contradiction.

As I said earlier.
I have edited some on spelling at the time. I have removed no content from any post nor added anything to any post more then ten minutes after I posted it.

I tend to edit a post a few times after I make it.

And you refuse to admit that it may not be contradiction.
How is it that you can ask me
"Is the zygote equal to the mother?" "Should a mother be sacrficed for a zygote?"
AFTER I had said, "Absolutely not"
That is not a problem of contradiction on my part. That is browbeating on your part.
You did that consistantly, without any sign of backing down, admitting to any error on your part, etc.
It got very tiresome

You keep listing the same few over and over.
I asked about ten or more people who seemed to understand me.
I cannot vouch for Mordea. You have a typo there in this quote- you menat to type "Pro Choice" I believe.

This is the response to me pointing out that you refuse to refute what you claim is flawed and only continue to make a claim without support. That makes ME weird?
How odd.

Yes, it is. Along with insulting people that don't agree with you.

 

You know Bells...

I recall you and another member Completely lighting me up and attacking relentlessly when you two thought I was slighting S.A.M.

No matter how much it was I told you that you were misinterpreting my posts, you chose to disbelieve that and continue attacking.

It was not until S.A.M. posted saying she was not slighted did you suddenly stop. You offered no apology. You did not retract your behavior one bit.

Captain Krennem had. But you didn't.

This situation seems remarkably similar to me.

Only this time, no one that is your friend is going to step in.

I get the feeling that we both are so stubborn that we cannot help but keep sniping at eachother.

I wonder when it will end since you absolutely cannot admit to having misinterpretted another person?

In the time I have been posting here, I've racked up 591 posts as of this post.
And you are the ONLY person I have managed to get into this kind of debacle with.

 

So what?
How is that relevant to anything?

No. Is that what I said or what you up and invented off the top of your head?
Have you heard the word: Aquiantance?
Kinda like the folks I've talked to here. Not random strangers and not friends.

Could you have asked that question in such a way that a person wouldn't react? Can you see how it is goading and manipulative?

All he has been doing is reading and following along. Pretty simple, really.
Admittedly, he's kinda a net friend. I couldn't tell you his Real Name or even if he's married. But we do talk about once a month and exchange ideas. I knew him o n another forum.

I HAVE been telling you!
You're in denial!

Answered above...

Yeah well... I was lucky enough a person actually did appear to back up my claim that I had bounced it off other people. Realistically, no one would want to get involved with this crap.

No. It's your current behavior in which you Cannot admit to doing Any Wrong whatsoever that convinced him. That is not the trait of a Mod who must be fair and maintain a lack of bias.
And don't start in how that can't be done- Ive been on forums where it's done quite well.

So? What part of "Following along" do you fail to understand?

Didn't you just ask this?

Of course you are still waiting. It was said in the same post! Look up a few lines^
Sheesh!

Too late.
You just did.

Post 359

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Oh you mean THEN...

You're shifting the goal posts to NOW include- as a moderator. Is this an admission that you have been doing it NOW?

Lucysnow did Vouch for your behavior as a mod.

I apologize for my commentary about you being a mod. "It seems to me" is simply not good enough to make the claim. If you truly did not demonstrate the behavior then that you are demonstrating currently, you deserve an apology. I can make one on my behalf-- but not on his.

I'm sorry... Does my showing your words Directly Bother You?!

Showing the relevant section when the other sections of the post had no relevance to that issue is pretty standard.

If it bothers you that I showed your actual words-- I must ask Why it does?

Yes, I did say all that. Except the what the hell are you on part.
Seems to me that isn't contradiction on my part but a complete inability to separate the two on your part-- Which I have been saying all along-- and you just demonstrated far better than I ever could have done on my own.

THANK YOU!
Seriously- I am grateful.

If anything, the fact that I checked myself against others speaks of maturity, So yes, resisting temptation might be a good idea

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<sighs>
Once again, I see I must defend myself against the abusive Bells. Once again, I joined the forum because I found the topic interesting, I thoroughly read from page 1 to 20, which is all there was to read at that point. I have my own brain and way of thinking. I did and do find you manipulative, twisting peoples words, which I see that I am not the only one who has seen this on this site. I have seen their comments. I did not come on and attack you first thing. Which, if that was my sole reason for joining, would have been the first thing I did and would have directed my statements directly towards you. Neverfly and I will certainly disagree at some point on this site in time to come. He did not make me join to back his statements, although I will agree that I do agree with most of what he says. I resent the fact that here and in the other post that you try to make me look like his puppet. As I have said, there are other topics of interest on this site, one of which I already have commented on, feel free to find it and twist my words there. A topic of which I am sure Neverfly has no real interest in. I ask you kindly to stop making me look bad or Neverfly in this matter. I guess I must apologize for my interest in the conversation. Maybe you should directly ask me instead of running around the forum making false accusations. And you know what? If you are a moderator, I don't think you really handle yourself repectfully enough. You want my IP address? Go for it. Which you did get into on the other post. Can you be a little more mature about things please? You are very tiring. Been here for nearly 24 hours and I already have to defend myself for joining. Feel accomplished? Curious as to what you are trying to accomplish by attacking me and then hiding over here on this thread, attacking me again. Personally if you wish to discuss me, I prefer YOU direct your statements and accusations towards me. Does this sound familiar, does it ring a bell to ya Bells? I think I will have to save this in case I again have to repeat myself as you try to make me look bad in front of other members that have yet to meet me. Later girlfriend!

 

Why point it out at all?
What was the purpose of so doing?

Care to stop pretending that I'm confusing you?
I was and am still clear...

Define "Friend."

Irrelevant.
I sent him the link. He read your posts. Your posts showed him.
Which was obvious Bells. I cannot believe you actually just asked that.

When you can't refute- just repeat claim...

...and add condescension for good measure.

No. Why would you ask that.
I did this time, because as you put it- It became like Twilight Zone.

So what if I did anyway? Is there something wrong with asking someone to keep you in check?
Answer that one too, please. --IS there something wrong with asking someone to check you for bias or being incorrect?

You gotta be kidding me.
I said that because you had just asked it in the SAME POST.
SHEESH!! Again!
And I DID answer it clearly the first time. Then moving along the same post- you had asked it again. So I asked if you had not just asked it.

You really are Not All There, are you?:bugeye:

Fine, I'll throw it at him. I think he'll say "whatever." Me, I don't care either way.

That was your response to me offering a sincere apology?
Wow, troop.

I intend to do it my way.

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Especially considering that it was an accurate portrayal that you Still Refuse to Refute- you only Repeat your claim, over and over and over again...

Yes, but you also thought more along the lines of "Ah, the backdown?" when I gave my apology for my commentary about your Mod status considering I had no information on how you acted as a Mod.

So what lines you think along do not really impress me very much.

 

You know what, whatever you want to dish out about what you think is going on with Bells and Neverfly in the abortion thread don't be so presumptuous as to assume what people think of Bells on this site. She's been here for years as a member and a mod and she is quite liked and well respected and no one would coin her as being either abusive or manipulative, its not her reputation here at sciforums despite the little spat going on between herself and Neverfly. You have been here for what? Five minutes? Don't make assumptions on her character and somehow re-cast her. Simply speaking you haven't been here long enough, you should sit back and get to know other posters before you attempt to size them up based on one thread, in which you had little part to play I might add. Also if you want to know what abuse is just stick around there are many here, myself included, that would make her look like Ingrid Bergman in the Bells of St. Mary.

 

Bells: Pot, meet Kettle.

Lucysnow-- I do not disagree with your reasoning. However, you discount the current spat and then issue advice that seems to apply very well to Bells in her current spat.

Calling a person a "net whackjob" that she does not know seems to be exactly what you just condemned.

Bells post above is the FIRST one in which she goes line by line... The only problem? She failed to quote my original statement.

Ok so- I said "Define Friend" to allow for clarity. Since "Friend" isn't an accurate term, I used aquaintances, which also qualifies as "kinda friend."
Either way- she started the quotes in the middle, and did not quote the first.
It's more than reasonably clear.
"Friend" or not, I asked others, net aquaintances- Who The Fuck Ever-- to take a look and see if I was being unreasonable in my determination of Bells behavior.

Look at all the abuse and derision I've recieved about crying, running and whining to Friends over that.

Bells is making her OWN IMPRESSIONS all on her own.

 

No Neverfly. There will be a dozen so called semi flames you will have with other members and then find that you get along with them just fine in other situations or threads, this I know for sure. I am not going to get into your disagreement with her or vice verse and then say Neverfly is such an such or Bells is such and such unless of course I have REPEATED similar experiences with them over time. Sam and I have had colossal rows and still we manage to agree and even get along at times only to buck heads at others. You're spat with Bells is minor. What I will not sit back and accept is Yellowjacket making statements about what Bells is or is not and how she is viewed on this site by other members when she has just turned up five minutes ago long after the soup opera began and then assume she knows how Bells is perceived by other members who have dealt with Bells for almost a decade. In short she is wrong in how she has characterized Bells and she is definitely wrong on how Bells is viewed by other members on this site. Bells is and has been always a valued member and I won't sit back and allow some newbie to spew nonsense of which she knows nothing about. Note I didn't make any comment of anything else she had to say in the post save her assumptions.

 

Wasn't aware the other person joined, so I took it as you were speaking of me. My bad!
*Please note, Ihad to remove links because I cannot post them yet. Newbie!

Wasn't referring to that and I am sure you know that

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And asking someone what the hell are they are on? Mature for a woman your age.And if you don't think by asking someone repeativly what they are on isn't a form of attacking, not sure what you would call it. Definiitly an offensive statement to make. Ever see someone vigrously try to row a boat with one oar on one side? Goes nowhere, just in a circle. The person rowing becomes is tired. That is why I chose to not respond to your goading questions. I equate your sensless arguements and repetitve questions to the rowboat going in a circle. Why waste my time?

Another fine example of where you don't read someone's responses and posts thoroughly. Just learning how to respond...uh, I'm new?? And thank you to the kind people who are patiently teaching the newbie how instead of insulting them.

I misunderstood you. My apology. I thought you are a moderator. But if your responses here are any indication of how you conducted yourself, I stand by my statement. Why don't you post me some threads that showed how well you conducted yourself then?