Abortion

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Truth is that no one here is having an unemotional discussion on abortion. And frankly it does look to me as if its the guys who are losing it entirely which astounds me since its not their time of month and they don't have to carry a few pounds in their belly for months at a time. I understand that you all have your opinions based on a variety of reasons but Bells isn't really goading, there may be some misunderstanding, that is probably the case but jeez she's probably one of the most reasonable of members.

I mean she doesn't even slag you guys off the way I would:shrug:

Now its like you all are now trying to gang bang her or something

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YES she IS, Lucysnow. She absolutely is. Without a doubt.

READ the last few pages. It is all there clear as a bell.

She manipulated each post trying to make it appear as though I had said things I hadn't. She didn't have question marks half the time.
And why would she NEED question marks asking me about a stance she continues to apply to me over and over and over and over and over again no matter how much I clarify why and how I see the issue.

I've referred that thread to several other people and they ALL, not one dissenting, agreed that she was practicing blantant intellectual dishonesty, manipulating and twisting and distorting.
I can ask them to join and post what they thought after reading all the crap if you do not believe me.

She is absolutely goading. She's been trying to draw me back into it- claiming I caused her to miss a post with her rantings and whatnot.

She repeatedly took the bare minimum in my posts to CLAIM I made claims I opposed. Over and over and over again.
Not matter how much I refuted her, she continued to do it.

If you cannot see that- You are not really Looking.

 

Well to tell you the truth I haven't gone through this whole thread. I was into it in the beginning and then was busy with the other abortion thread arguing with LG.

Hey she hasn't really insulted you only misunderstood you from what you seem to be saying. From what I do gather you are pro choice but would like for people to consider abortion more carefully which frankly I think many women actually do. She's pro choice and thinks that the deciding factor should be whatever the woman decides.

In short you two actually agree with each other on that point.

 

To be simple: If a man in the thread does not agree with Bells that a fetus is a blob of goo and NOTHING more; if he doesn't agree with her that noone else should express an opinion; he doesn't agree with her on each and every bit of her opinion--- She will repetitively accuse him of opinions he's NOT claiming and ignore all his answers while claiming he never answered.
She will do everything she can to make it APPEAR as though he's not answering, not making sense and in error, even when he was clear, made sense and was not making an error.

It's flat out dirty and cheap dishonest tactics.

 

SEE?! YOU GET IT.

Yet she keeps telling me that I think the fetus has equal rights as the mother, that I think that a mother should die to birth the fetus, telling me to "mind my own fucking business" and that I "Have no right to express my opinion" on the subject.

Is that the behavior of a rational and reasonable person?
No, it is not.

 

I can only ask the one that is Still awake at this crazy hour. You'll have to wait on the others.

I do not appreciate your clear and facetious implication that I am devious and intend to use sock puppets to make false claims.

The mods can check identity til they are blue In the face.

Should she choose to register will be up to her- I'll ask.

 

Science is slow. What they really should be doing is figuring out how men can carry a child to term then contraceptives and abortions and the raising the children and all the rest of it will be their problem entirely.

Then Bells and I can just spend the rest of our time at the mall

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Well I don't know about Bells but I lost my reason one thread ago

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You have the right to express an opinion. Where did she tell you to mind your own business? I ask because maybe you were asking about her personal life or something.

 

I don't know if he's still posting but what reason does he think is valid and not a selfish reason for having an abortion?

 

Actually he wasn't too offended! Don't know if you got my pm but I was basically called a two faced whore who was basically causing global chaos because I believe a woman has a right to abortion!

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I feel pretty proud of myself actually, I mean the cool headed males were losing it right and left. All Neverfly did was try and explain himself with caps and a show of being affronted. You guys are still on a civilized page

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Notes Around

To recall Justice Blackmun:

When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.​

Thirty-seven years later, anti-abortion fanatics still seem unable to reconcile this particular point. If any of them would like to settle the question, they're welcome to try.

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Laugh. I would suggest we weep that it has come to this, but still, it's better to just laugh if we can manage.

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And that's your right. Myself, I have a dryfoot policy. You make it to the world, welcome to the world. But as long as you live in someone else's body, you're on their turf.

However, as an equal protection issue, should I not also be entitled to an umbilical cord to feed me and remove my waste? It would save a lot of time.
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Notes:

Blackmun, J. Harry. "Opinion of the Court". Roe v. Wade. Supreme Court of the United States. January 22, 1973. Legal Information Institute at Cornell University Law School. April 7, 2010. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0410_0113_ZO.html

 

No.
Be HONEST.
Let's take a look at YOURS now, shall we?

Previous to her responses, I said This:

ALL Of these accusations and questions were made AFTER Several posts of mine that said clearly that I disagreed with such positions. I link this one because I'm tediously sorting through a lot of posts and this one is easiest to find. And the clearest.:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2514119&postcount=252


However, I REPEATEDLY was CLEAR that I do NOT agree with placing the childs fate over the mother etc.
After my requst that she realize she's applying claims to me repeatedly that I repeatedly corrected and often was clear on to other members too- She said this:

Which SHOULD include this:

After saying this, she then immediately asks:
(These quotes all follow my clarifying posts.)

Gee... I dunno. Maybe what I JUST SAID?! Several times across several posts? One of which went into long detail and I linked here that was made Prior to her repeated questioning on htis?

I have no right to express my opinion.

This is after this post, too.

I never claimed I would. I was clear as I quoted myself above- complete with typoes intact, that I said them cells gotsta go. I said ABSOLUTELY NOT to the Idea that the childs life weighs more than the mother. Her commentary here is a complete work of her imagination.

Behave as I did? That's pure assumption. Behaved as I did when? Ive never faced abortion.

Claims clearly that I have no right to an opinion.

Inaccurate and totally uncalled for.

WOW!

Bells will most likely not admit fault. Instead, she will claim I am confused on the issue and she felt the need to repeatedly dog me over and over because of her description that I'm confused.

Hey, I admitted that I am not always clear. You can even read it in that ONE simple post I linked to.
I do try, though, and to get repeatedly dogged post after post no matter how hard I try is absurd.
It DEFINETLY makes it appear to be deliberate on her part.

Bells makes too many assumptions simply because I think stem cells are not normal cells.

 

@Neverfly

You see this:

My OPINION is that a person preventing pregnancy is entirely different from a person deliberately removing a life that has begun.
(Yes-- I think that a few cells should be respected but in all honesty -- It would be for what they represent- not what they are at that moment.
It is not a person, though it will become one. And does not carry the respect granted to a person.)


Okay so what is the difference between a person preventing a pregnancy and a person aborting save that the person preventing a pregnancy doesn't need to abort?

Then you say this:

"If a mothers life is in danger (For some odd reason) and the choice comes up to sacrifice those cells or thte mom- them cells gotsta go."

Is it that you think a woman for example shouldn't have an abortion if say she cannot afford a child or is emotionally unprepared or simply doesn't want one? Because I believe that Bells would agree that a woman should be able to have an abortion for whatever reason she feels makes it necessary and that that is what is called pro choice.

And I would think that this would be what created the confusion on what you really believe:

"An expectant mother carrying a child that decides to abort a FETUS is what upsets me."

And then this:

"If a woman learns she's 2 weeks pregnant and after careful consideration, decides she must abort- I cannot hold that against her."

Contradict each other.

In other words you are saying that you think a woman should be able to have an abortion but then you say it upsets you that an expectant mother would decide to abort. This is what makes it difficult to know if you are actually pro choice or not and perhaps the source of the misunderstanding. I mean its supposed to not be difficult to avoid pregnancy and the stats show most women have never had an abortion yet mistakes are made, life can throw a variety of issues and problems that would make one necessary.