Abortion

I'm just curious, but do you read the stuff you post?

Allowing someone to make a choice, and expressing a negative opinion regarding a particular option, are not mutually exclusive.

Is that the position you take regarding child abuse? "It's not your child, you aren't a parent, mind your own business."

 

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People simply are not going to agree on ALL aspects of an issue. But they discuss their various points of view- as in such places as a discussion forum.

Telling them they have no right to an opinion; Telling them they need to mind their own F'ing business; telling them claims they not only never made, but clearly said the opposite; harshly insulting anyone that does not agree and applying claims they never made; claiming they are insulting people who don't agree with them (Ask V.I. If I insulted her. I told her how twisted her post was. Sheesh. SHE had the maturity to discuss it like an adult...); accusing others of deception; complete and total inability to be personally accountable for misunderstanding, fault or error...

Yeah. Real Rational, that...

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Don't worry. She doesn't read what other people post, either.

 

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That's typical of pro-choicers. They respond to what they would like the pro-lifer to say (ie. simple stupid arguments that are easily refuted) rather than what they actually say. Then when they are corrected, they simply repeat the same misrepresentations again.

S.A.M was banned for such 'intellectual dishonesty' (at least that's what the admin calls it). I wonder why the same does not occur for the pro-choicers who use the same tactics?

 

Hey, I qualify as pro choice.

Sounds like a Moon Hoax Believer and various other Conspiracy Theorist tactics to me...

If that isolated case is why you started your thread- I can see why you were influenced to make it.
I don't easily lose my temper but MAN...

That's about as Manipulative as a person can get, right there.

Don't get me wrong Mordea-- I disagree with a great deal that I've seen you post- so far.

But agreement/disagreement doesn't mean one should blatantly distort, lie, manipulate and play it like THAT, either.

I'm so far up on the defensive this point I'm about to don body armor in this stupid thread.

 

Bells, I will not be discussing abortion with you any longer. You cannot handle it, you're dirty about it.

You can sit back and watch me talk to OTHER people about it. Rational people.

 

You can't tell from those two very clear posts?

 

That's a really clear post.
(did she respond to/challenge it, point for point)
(don't answer)

However usually I have found that brevity is better on this site (not that I'm always capable of it) since miscomprehension seems to occur at some ratio to post length.

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For me its Bells constant endeavor to slide the discussion behind the eightball of "But if abortion is illegal what about all the problems we will face in adjusting overnight?"

Most succinct example here

Needless to say, I haven't got a direct response for this.
:shrug:

 

I thought I was quite clear.

I knew the post was long and I Warned her that it was long. I politely asked her to go back and read my actual claims-- I was mistakenly thinking I was discussing it with a rational person.

Notice what she quoted above has no actual bearing on her claims and only reinforces what I have been clear about. As if I had contradicted myself. Riiiiight.... Manipulation at work.

In my opinion, the only response she can be given on this topic is silence.

 

... and no pro-rating

A Proposition: Demonstrating the full humanity of a fetus

I would propose an experiment to demonstrate the full humanity of a fetus. We will require two donors from the Sciforums community. One to provide viable sperm cells, another to provide a viable ovum and womb.

We will fertilize the ovum with the sperm and cause a pregnancy. At a predetermined point, perhaps twenty weeks, we will surgically sever the umbilical cord and observe the results.

If the thing crawls to the tit, it's human. If it dies, it's not. If it stays inside and finds a way to survive, it pays rent.

Easy enough?

 

No need for the study - the research already exists

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I'm pretty sure that Gianna Jessen would have paid rent at some time ...

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Gianna Jessen: Born after a failed abortion

.... even if she was receiving some sort of financial compensation as a consequence of acquiring cerebral palsy as a consequence of the surgical intrusion.

 

Bells, you are continuing to project and paint your images. I will not be discussing your misconceptions with you any longer.

 

I said it was the most succinct example ... not the most recent

 

After reading that I don't know if I should laugh or cry

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A choice which directly impacts on the survival of another human. It also has implications for the father and health workers.

He knows. The two posts of his that you quoted were *crystal clear* as to his position on the issue.

Why doesn't society simply mind its own business regarding this matter? Why does it intrude on the business of others by constructing laws to regulate behaviour?

That's not true. Abortion is prohibited in certain circumstances. Furthermore, the legality is irrelevant. We are arguing about what *ought* to be, not what is. It's pretty lame for you to cower behind the law to shield your opinion from criticism.

The same tactic you commonly use against viewpoints which you are emotionally opposed against. You oversimply, exaggerate or completely misrepresent what the opponent has said, and then rebutt that distortion. You then ignore any attempts made to correct you.

People can get quite frustrated when they are continuously misrepresented, even after having gone to the effort to explain themselves.

Wait. You're using clueless as evidence that Neverfly hasn't explained himself clearly? If I were you, I wouldn't try to dispel claims of purposive obtuseness on your behalf by referencing another obtuse individual.

Ahh, so we are entitled to our opinion. However, if it disagrees with that of a pregnant woman, we can't openly express them. It must be wonderful to be immune from criticism.

 

I don't agree that viability outside the womb is a measure of humanity.

 

Yes, that was neither scientific nor accurate. It was just a line he invented off the top of his head.

Why should posters bother with such non serious arguments?